Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

LHW99

Can I ask what industry you think should be supported and which let decline?
I am sure there are many industry’s in the U.K. that would benefit from some protectionism. Who are they? Can Brexiters name them?

I would suggest that our fishing industry is a case in point. Quotas have resulted in fish being returned to the sea dead. They have resulted in Large commercial operators flourishing at the expense of small ones. The CFP has good aims, but IMO poor execution. Both sides of the argument are presented well here
https://www.debatingeurope.eu/focus/arguments-for-and-against-the-common-fisheries-policy/
IMO the flexibility Brexit will provide should help our government to make better conservation decisions.

Lungboy

kabayiri wrote: »

Personally, I believe we need to find ways of people making a living in the place they herald from ... particularly Africa, otherwise we are in for decades of tension.

I agree with this and it's why the foreign aid budget is vital. Sadly the foreign aid budget seems to be high on the list of things lots of Brexiteers want rid of.

kabayiri

Lungboy wrote: »

I agree with this and it's why the foreign aid budget is vital. Sadly the foreign aid budget seems to be high on the list of things lots of Brexiteers want rid of.

EU agricultural policy has been protectionist for a long long time. It was a political concession to the French.

The Northern African states could easily expand their production capability with help, and a ready market in the EU.

The foreign aid budget has fixed nothing. It did make a bunch of ex civil servants in Actis millionaires though, so that's something I suppose.

Moby

kabayiri wrote: »

It's not patriotism. It's the core idea that your region; your locality; means something; that the purpose of work is to enrich the community in which you live.

Macron touched on the issues of future Africa-EU migration in a recent interview, apparently Afro-Europeans could rise from 9m to 150m by 2050; a mere 3 decades from now.

The might of Germany has struggled with an influx of just 1.5m newcomers. It certainly helped fuel the Brexit decision.

I can see 100 times this number ripping Europe apart once again.

Personally, I believe we need to find ways of people making a living in the place they herald from ... particularly Africa, otherwise we are in for decades of tension.

I think what regional/ state identity means varies from one person to another. Some people may not wish to stay in the place they herald from; also Scotland wants a huge increase in immigration to boost their economy; the village where I come from in Wales has had its character changed years ago by English people buying up properties as holiday homes. The figures you cite above demonstrate how the world is changing and how we have to adjust. Managing the movements of people and capital can only be done through international co-operation with our neighbours. The means for doing that most efficiently for us would be by being in the EU.

kabayiri

Moby wrote: »

I think what regional/ state identity means varies from one person to another. Some people may not wish to stay in the place they herald from; also Scotland wants a huge increase in immigration to boost their economy; the village where I come from in Wales has had its character changed years ago by English people buying up properties as holiday homes. The figures you cite above demonstrate how the world is changing and how we have to adjust. Managing the movements of people and capital can only be done through international co-operation with our neighbours. The means for doing that most efficiently for us would be by being in the EU.

Yes, we adjust. For me we do that by establishing what is important.

There are certain life qualities I put above monetary concerns. You don't have to share my values, but I will still hold them.

One of them is a responsibility to create a sustainable future. This means many things in practice.

Underfunding our communities, whilst encouraging new inward migration of a city the size of Leeds every single year, is not ensuring a sustainable future.

The EU-FOM dream is too ambitious; too soon; and will end in tears as EU states openly rebel against the political core. I don't want us to be dragged into the fallout. Inside the EU, we would be made to pay. We always have been the ones to pay.

Herzlos

I don't the the EU FoM is too ambitious or too soon, it's required for free movement of capital and business. There are some teething problems that are being ironed out regarding wage undercutting, moving without being financially sufficient, etc.


I don't think leaving the EU will save us from any fallout - we're still only a 20 miles away from the EU and most of our movement is through/over the EU.

kabayiri wrote: »

Underfunding our communities, whilst encouraging new inward migration of a city the size of Leeds every single year, is not ensuring a sustainable future.

Yet none of that is related to the EU - we're still going to underfund communities and we're still going to have migration. It's just the migrants will more likely be non-EU, and culturally even more different.

andrewf75

kabayiri wrote: »

Yes, we adjust. For me we do that by establishing what is important.

There are certain life qualities I put above monetary concerns. You don't have to share my values, but I will still hold them.

One of them is a responsibility to create a sustainable future. This means many things in practice.

Underfunding our communities, whilst encouraging new inward migration of a city the size of Leeds every single year, is not ensuring a sustainable future.

The EU-FOM dream is too ambitious; too soon; and will end in tears as EU states openly rebel against the political core. I don't want us to be dragged into the fallout. Inside the EU, we would be made to pay. We always have been the ones to pay.

I always read your posts agreeing with almost everything, but coming to the opposite conclusion on whether we’re better off in or out of the EU! I just come to the conclusion we stand a better chance of creating that sustainable future by working together even if the free movement idea is too much too soon. Especially when the UK on its own seems much less interested in creating long term sustainability than other European countries in favour of pro-business short termism, which is surely the root cause of high UK immigration, not free movement rules. At least Eastern Europeans coming here can go back when it suits, the Indians and Filipinos likely to replace them are much less likely to….

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

True, however on a smaller scale, many of the people I do business with are small service businesses that use the revenues from exporting to other EU countries to pay their staff, rent and bills. This has a natural value to the average employee of these businesses.

On a larger scale, trade is important for keeping people in work, as trade creates jobs. The average person may see no benefit but it is there. A job is better than no job in terms of wealth and health.

I fail to see any relevance in this to Italy suffering 20 years of economic stagnation nor the plight of many in Greece. Easy to justify a view from a personal perspective quoting text book words.

Herzlos

andrewf75 wrote: »

I always read your posts agreeing with almost everything, but coming to the opposite conclusion on whether we’re better off in or out of the EU! I just come to the conclusion we stand a better chance of creating that sustainable future by working together even if the free movement idea is too much too soon. Especially when the UK on its own seems much less interested in creating long term sustainability than other European countries in favour of pro-business short termism, which is surely the root cause of high UK immigration, not free movement rules. At least Eastern Europeans coming here can go back when it suits, the Indians and Filipinos likely to replace them are much less likely to….

I'm exactly the same. Same concerns but think we're much better addressing them as a contributing member of the EU than withdrawing.

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

EU agricultural policy has been protectionist for a long long time. It was a political concession to the French.

Resulting in inflated food prices for everybody.