Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

They can vote however they want for whatever reason, I fully support that. But voting to Leave the EU over UK failings can't fix anything.

I think it wholly reasonable if the EU can claim the defeat of German fascism, the defeat of the Soviet Union and the creation and continuance of peace and prosperity across our continent as their own, that we can blame them for other things too.

CKhalvashi

Tromking wrote: »

Ooh... you steely-eyed business person, you!
One day money obsessed peope like yourself will perhaps realise that Brexit was a choice made in despite of and in full knowledge of the negatives and not in just in ignorance of them as you and others love to suggest.

I don’t particularly care about money. I do care enough to make the books balance though, which is more than the Conservatives have managed.

I fail to see why our additional costs should fall on the EU taxpayer, when the costs were incurred as part of a decision made by the UK as a result of alleged fraud and negligence, especially when those at the top of government allegedly attempted to cover it up.

You left the U.K. yet BTW?

My personal affairs are none of your business.

Tromking

CKhalvashi wrote: »

My personal affairs are none of your business.

Which is strange when if I recall correctly you made a big play on here about possibly leaving the UK and even listed your options.
No one here knows who anyone is, so nobody would think ill of you if you had decided to stay.
You're staying aren't you?

cogito

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I don’t particularly care about money. I do care enough to make the books balance though, which is more than the Conservatives have managed.

I fail to see why our additional costs should fall on the EU taxpayer, when the costs were incurred as part of a decision made by the UK as a result of alleged fraud and negligence, especially when those at the top of government allegedly attempted to cover it up.

Nearly every post tou have made on here has been about the effect Brexit will have on your pocket and you want us to believe that you don't care about money. Come off it.

And you think that the UK is the only country in the EU that doesn't balance its books? The only one running a budget surplus is Germany although Greece is obliged to pretend that it is. How's Italy doing?

Your second paragraph makes no sense. What are you trying to say?

Thrugelmir

cogito wrote: »

Your second paragraph makes no sense. What are you trying to say?

At every possible opportunity use every piece of fake news to reinforce a personal view. Most people would actually wait for the full facts to be known before passing judgement. These days seems to be trial by media.

kabayiri

bugslet wrote: »

On phone so no link, but loss of revenue from fuel bought elsewhere by trucks, costs the Treasury over 300 million according to the RHA, IIRC.



As a haulier, I say charge anything you like. Add a £1000.00 a day levy, my invoice then reads:

Manchester to Reading £500.00.
Day levy £1000.00
Total £1500.00.

Full load of toothpaste and it will be a penny on a tube. People with large indivisible loads that will be annoyed.

My argument centres around what you do with the revenue.

The money has to be ploughed back into dedicated roads/lanes for trucks, alongside much better integration with rail and sea.

Lost time is also money. Too often now there are relatively mundane breakdowns which bring stretches of the M6 to a crawl.

It's clear we have no slack in the system, and it's only getting worse.

(Well, worse until Amazon are delivering everything by automated airships+drones I suppose)

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

They can vote however they want for whatever reason, I fully support that. But voting to Leave the EU over UK failings can't fix anything.

Of course it can.

Brexit vote has already shone a light on the public mood, like no other recent political election.

It was also possible that it inspired Trump's selection. There is also a wave of right wing political resurgence around the globe, Brazil being the most recent.

Brexit could easily lead to harder edged politics.

This could hopefully kill off socialism for a generation, and I won't be shedding any tears at that.

wunferall

CKhalvashi wrote: »

You forget one thing.

Britain is a free country already. To say otherwise is offensive to those countries that Britain felt it reasonable to exploit as part of the empire.

:rotfl:
Such desperation.
I suppose you want apologies on behalf of Adam and Eve for eating the apple, or how about the French apologise to the world for Napoleon's misdeeds?

If Britain is so free how come there's so much nonsense about us leaving?
In other words we're free except for the EU's demands.

wunferall

It looks like trouble is brewing again in Spain with the Catalonians, with Spanish prosecutors fanning the flames.

Of those accused, 11 people, including the former deputy Catalan leader Oriol Junqueras, will face the highest charge of rebellion, a charge reserved for those who “rise violently and publicly” against the government or the country’s constitution.

https://www.ft.com/content/f95f35e4-dea0-11e8-9f04-38d397e6661c

The only violence seen by the world IMHO was in the Spanish police's handling of those trying to vote.
Strangely the EU remain quiet.
They're quick to condemn what they see as Polish or Hungarian restrictions of their citizens rights yet when Spain quells citizens attempting freedom of expression with violence, nothing.
There's nothing like being fair, is there?
And here the EU are being nothing like fair.

Herzlos

There's a rise in the right wing, but when it proves innefective at actually leading anything again,
It'll slink off into the shadows and there will be a resurgence of the left. This could result in a move towards the dreaded socialism.

The Tories are at real risk of losing a GE to a Corbyn Labour, Trumps made the US right an international laughing stock.

This could see a move away from centrist politics for a while which could be a good thing though.

wunferall wrote: »

If Britain is so free how come there's so much nonsense about us leaving?
In other words we're free except for the EU's demands.

The only reason there's so much nonsense about us leaving is that we don't know what we want to do, beyond essentially leaving bit having all the perks. We could have left in a couple of weeks if we just took one of the options the EU have been giving us for 2 years.