Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

wunferall

phillw wrote: »

The EU is trying to maintain peace in Ireland, what don't you understand?

How about that peace in Ireland and the EU's insistence on having a border are not compatible philosophies? :wall:

phillw wrote: »

History. We only joined when we wanted something out of it. I know it must hurt to be on the bad side, but you chose it. At least admit it.

Ah, a return to the last resort of using insult.


The UK public did not ask to join the EU ... and were misled into joining the Common Market, alienating us from the Commonwealth. At the very first (and only) asking about the EU the result was a "leave" vote.


The media misled us into joining the Common Market, and now remainers & media are trying to mislead us again with lies & "Project Fear".
Well, this time too many of us have wised-up.

Read this snip for an idea of how we were conned in the 70's.
http://www.vernoncoleman.com/howthebritishmedia.htm

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

The EU is trying to maintain peace in Ireland, what don't you understand?

A far better understanding of the wider situation than you it seems.

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

If anything UKIP voters help Labour. Why else do you think the conservatives wanted to end the whole stupid idea

Who do you think the 30% of Labour voters who voted leave will vote for if Labour come out strongly to remain in E.U.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

If Theresa May is unable to get a deal, which is looking more and more likely because the EU is going to stand by it's principals while the Conservative government are tearing each other apart, then there is no other way than holding some form of election to solve the problem.

The Labour party line........ might have guessed.

wunferall

phillw wrote: »

Farage said he would continue if there wasn't a clear majority, there was even a petition demanding a second referendum before the first one. Which was set up by a leave voter.

He did not say that he would try to overturn a democratic vote as remainers are doing.
Oh and anybody can start petitions, as I'm sure you're well aware; it would have been strange for a remainer to set one up for that.
The rest of that part of your post is - frankly - unnecessary waffle.

phillw wrote: »

I can't do anything for your prejudice. If you vote to hurt the UK just because people say things you disagree with then it's just cutting off your nose to spite your face. Which is what the voters in the first referendum did. That is one argument against democratic process I guess, there is a responsibility on voters when making their decisions & if you can't cope with it then maybe you shouldn't have a vote.

Ah, yet more of an unnecessary and this time (again) insulting nature.


It is only certain ill-informed pro-EU fantasists who insist upon feeding and/or heeding media interpretations of what lays ahead.
Nobody has a crystal ball, so a proverbial land of milk and honey is in many ways just as likely as the obviously nonsensical cries of woe.

If you are so disgusted by how our democracy works, you have two choices:
1 Make legal moves to change it (and good luck with that).
2 Move to a place without such a democracy. There remain quite a few. Maybe you fancy China for an example? Do you know what happens if you criticize the Chinese regime?

ukcarper

The biggest liars I can see at the moment are the MPs who say they respect and have accepted result of referendum when they clearly don't.

wunferall

phillw wrote: »

It seems your arguments are just strawmen, obviously for the peace project to work, the countries have to be in the EU.

"Strawmen" are they?
No.
Wrong.
You really do appear to have extremely little understanding of life beyond the UK.
:wall:

Tell the Catalonians brutally attacked by Spanish police yet with not a peep from the EU that there is peace in the EU because of the EU.

Tell Greek Cypriots that there is peace in the EU because of the EU.

wunferall

ukcarper wrote: »

The biggest liars I can see at the moment are the MPs who say they respect and have accepted result of referendum when they clearly don't.

Perhaps that's why some pro-remain fanatics think it's okay to do the same in the media and in forums like this.

phillw

ukcarper wrote: »

Who do you think the 30% of Labour voters who voted leave will vote for if Labour come out strongly to remain in E.U.

It'll be clear soon what a no deal brexit looks like and I don't think people are as dumb as you make them out that they'll just stick to the same decision.

Most of those people never voted for ukip & labour picked up conservative voters in the last election who didn't support brexit. I've spoken to many remain conservative voters who say they will swap to labour next time.

wunferall wrote: »

Perhaps that's why some pro-remain fanatics think it's okay to do the same in the media and in forums like this.

I accept what the result was, but your authoritarian regime has no right to tell me that I can't fight for a better result for the UK.

If our democratically elected and sovereign parliament who have taken back control, decide to do a deal with the EU that the brexiters like then they are saying they will fight against it. Which makes you all hypocrits.

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

It'll be clear soon what a no deal brexit looks like and I don't think people are as dumb as you make them out that they'll just stick to the same decision.

Most of those people never voted for ukip & labour picked up conservative voters in the last election who didn't support brexit. I've spoken to many remain conservative voters who say they will swap to labour next time.



I accept what the result was, but your authoritarian regime has no right to tell me what I can't fight for a better result for the UK.

If our democratically elected and sovereign parliament who have taken back control, decide to do a deal with the EU that the brexiters like then they are saying they will fight against it. Which makes you all hypocrits.

What if GE is before we actually leave which is what Labour want.

As I've said before, remain lost referendum and there is no going back to as they were before the damage has already been done. We don't know if we will have a no deal brexit or a if a deal will be reached, we don't know what our terms of membership will be if we don't leave and we don't know how bad the effects of any of them will be.