Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Enterprise_1701C

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Germany was the sickman of Europe. Saved by a favourable exchange rate when joining the Euro. 20 years is a long time in history.

So the euro really is a tool used by the Germans to climb the ladder. I know it is heavily weighted in favour of Germany, but in that they are resorting to destroying other countries in order to climb the ladder again, and they complain at other countries trying to protect themselves :eek:

Once again the Germans are willing to wreck the whole of europe to give themselves a leg up.

gfplux

So much chatter here about the EU. Is it to hide any discussion about Brexit?
If the EU is so bad and Britain will prosper by increasing trade everywhere except the EU why is there this obsession with the EU.

Brexiters need to focus on Brexit. You won now tell everyone all the good things about Brexit.

Remember the rule.

Tell us what you are going to say.(How good Brexit will be)
Say it. (How good Brexit is)
Then tell us what you said. (That Brexit will be good)

Moby

gfplux wrote: »

So much chatter here about the EU. Is it to hide any discussion about Brexit?
If the EU is so bad and Britain will prosper by increasing trade everywhere except the EU why is there this obsession with the EU.

Brexiters need to focus on Brexit. You won now tell everyone all the good things about Brexit.

Remember the rule.

Tell us what you are going to say.(How good Brexit will be)
Say it. (How good Brexit is)
Then tell us what you said. (That Brexit will be good)

It's natural human behaviour to blame others when a decision you have made is wrong rather than do the mature thing and acknowledge the error. The Germans have always been a good scapegoat.
This guy calls it right:-

https://www.politico.eu/article/spains-sanchez-says-brexit-historic-error/

undetterred

gfplux wrote: »

So much chatter here about the EU. Is it to hide any discussion about Brexit?
If the EU is so bad and Britain will prosper by increasing trade everywhere except the EU why is there this obsession with the EU.

Brexiters need to focus on Brexit. You won now tell everyone all the good things about Brexit.

Remember the rule.

Tell us what you are going to say.(How good Brexit will be)
Say it. (How good Brexit is)
Then tell us what you said. (That Brexit will be good)

Tell us how good remaing will be then?

adindas

Just in case you have not seen this :

Stop possible second referendum on E.U. membership

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/226071

Filo25

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

So the euro really is a tool used by the Germans to climb the ladder. I know it is heavily weighted in favour of Germany, but in that they are resorting to destroying other countries in order to climb the ladder again, and they complain at other countries trying to protect themselves :eek:

Once again the Germans are willing to wreck the whole of europe to give themselves a leg up.

Not Germany's fault that other countries haven't been able to adjust to living life with a hard currency rather than the continuously devaluing ones they were used to before, equally nobody forced countries into the Euro at gunpoint, they willingly chose to enter the Eurozone themselves.

I am delighted that we didn't join as I never thought there was a compelling economic case for the UK.

I know some one here seem keen to blame the EU for everything, but oddly enough a lot of the problems faced by some members of the Eurozone are entirely of their own making.

I am just waiting to hear how our current issues with the WTO are entirely down to either the EU or Remainers.

cogito

Filo25 wrote: »

Not Germany's fault that other countries haven't been able to adjust to living life with a hard currency rather than the continuously devaluing ones they were used to before, equally nobody forced countries into the Euro at gunpoint, they willingly chose to enter the Eurozone themselves.

I am delighted that we didn't join as I never thought there was a compelling economic case for the UK.

I know some one here seem keen to blame the EU for everything, but oddly enough a lot of the problems faced by some members of the Eurozone are entirely of their own making.

I am just waiting to hear how our current issues with the WTO are entirely down to either the EU or Remainers.

The euro was the price that the French forced the Germans to pay for reunification.

It's certainly the case that most members, especially the likes of the club med countries, created their own problems by joining the euro when it was established but that is because they were enticed by the prospect of low interest rates without looking at what it actually meant. The euro was always a political project and will remain so as long as there is no fiscal union i.e. as long as the EU lasts.

StevieJ

gfplux wrote: »

So much chatter here about the EU. Is it to hide any discussion about Brexit?
If the EU is so bad and Britain will prosper by increasing trade everywhere except the EU why is there this obsession with the EU.

Brexiters need to focus on Brexit. You won now tell everyone all the good things about Brexit.

Remember the rule.

Tell us what you are going to say.(How good Brexit will be)
Say it. (How good Brexit is)
Then tell us what you said. (That Brexit will be good)

Here is good old Danny again, just before the referendum, the article states that he has since deleted it. To be honest I am not sure he had too much in common with the average Brexit voter.

It’s 24 June, 2025, and Britain is marking its annual Independence Day celebration. As the fireworks stream through the summer sky, still not quite dark, we wonder why it took us so long to leave. The years that followed the 2016 referendum didn’t just reinvigorate our economy, our democracy and our liberty. They improved relations with our neighbours.

The last thing most EU leaders wanted, once the shock had worn off, was a protracted argument with the United Kingdom which, on the day it left, became their single biggest market. Terms were agreed easily enough. Britain withdrew from the EU’s political structures and institutions, but kept its tariff-free arrangements in place. The rights of EU nationals living in the UK were confirmed, and various reciprocal deals on healthcare and the like remained. For the sake of administrative convenience, Brexit took effect formally on 1 July 2019, to coincide with the mandates of a new European Parliament and Commission.

https://cabalamat.wordpress.com/2017/11/30/dan-hannons-delusional-2016-article-on-brexit/

Arklight

In other news, Brexitiwits still think they're going to get £350 million a week for leaving the EU next year.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-brexit-lies-eu-pay-money-remain-poll-boris-johnson-a8603646.html

kabayiri

gfplux wrote: »

So much chatter here about the EU. Is it to hide any discussion about Brexit?
If the EU is so bad and Britain will prosper by increasing trade everywhere except the EU why is there this obsession with the EU.
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Err, the question was should the UK leave the EU ! It never mentioned "how" at all.

So, unsurprisingly, we are allowed to examine the EU and reach our own conclusions.