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Brexit the economy and house prices part 6
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Thrugelmir wrote: »That's what Facebook and Twitter may suggest. When push comes to shove. The middle ground will always use common sense.
But the Brexit vote went against common sense (by the same logic i.e against the mainstream/markets/"expert" opinion, no offence intended to leave voters!)
I'm not a fan of Corbyn and I'm well aware of the limitations to his appeal, but the Tories are hardly a common sense choice these days. The middle ground will choose one or the other as the lesser of two evils. Could go either way. Common sense is personal.
An election tomorrow and I'd make the Tories favourites, but it wouldn't take much to swing it the other way. A no deal Brexit certainly would.0 -
Difficult to say if Labour were pushing to stay in I think they would lose a lot of votes 30% of Labour voters voted leave. It's where disgruntled Tory votes would go not sure many would vote for Corbyn's Labour Party could be different if by some miracle a more centre Labour part emerged.But the Brexit vote went against common sense (by the same logic i.e against the mainstream/markets/"expert" opinion, no offence intended to leave voters!)
I'm not a fan of Corbyn and I'm well aware of the limitations to his appeal, but the Tories are hardly a common sense choice these days. The middle ground will choose one or the other as the lesser of two evils. Could go either way. Common sense is personal.
An election tomorrow and I'd make the Tories favourites, but it wouldn't take much to swing it the other way. A no deal Brexit certainly would.0 -
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That's a classic post mate! It's good that you are able to demonstrate so much intergenerational communication and understanding.Young people don't care how much money they lose. If they did they wouldn't all go to terrible universities just for the experience or because it was the thing to do. You can often tell who is going for the experience because they mention the quality of the local night life as part of their choice of university to attend.0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »Brexit aside the economy has been relatively managed well. As the UK inches forward from the depths of the GFC. Austerity (i.e. good financial management) is working. As painfull as it may seem.
Whether austerity is good financial management is debatable though - even within the centre ground which we're talking about. Good for balancing the books in the short term, but running a country should be about more than that. Its wrong to say that picking the Tories over Labour is common sense, that just shows your bias we all have our own version of common sense.0 -
Whether austerity is good financial management is debatable though - even within the centre ground which we're talking about. Good for balancing the books in the short term, but running a country should be about more than that.
It's a key battleground at elections. Use of taxpayers money does effectively determines many things. Short term decisions extend to into the long term. There hasn't been a slash and burn approach to balance the books. The coalition of Blair\Brown offered a different proposition intially. Corbyn merely a return to the ideology of the 70's. No thanks.0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »It's a key battleground at elections. Use of taxpayers money does effectively determines many things. Short term decisions extend to into the long term. There hasn't been a slash and burn approach to balance the books. The coalition of Blair\Brown offered a different proposition intially. Corbyn merely a return to the ideology of the 70's. No thanks.
Not really arguing with your point of view, just your apparent belief that common sense supports your view over that of others! There are as many common sense reasons to vote Labour as there are Tory and I say that as someone with no allegiance to either. Building council houses, investing more in public services and infrastructure are very much common sense and popular policies and its a bit rich calling Labour a return to the 1970s when the Tories are increasingly influenced by the likes of Rees Mogg!
On policy alone I think Labour would win the next election, I think its Corbyn personally that puts a lot of people off.0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »It's a key battleground at elections. Use of taxpayers money does effectively determines many things. Short term decisions extend to into the long term. There hasn't been a slash and burn approach to balance the books. The coalition of Blair\Brown offered a different proposition intially. Corbyn merely a return to the ideology of the 70's. No thanks.
It is probably because when he was in his 20s was the time when he felt he was at his peak? It is the same thing as lots of elderly people think that when they were young things were better. So he is trying to get back the feeling that he had in the 70s without realising that there are increasing numbers of people who were not even born then.0 -
Difficult to say if Labour were pushing to stay in I think they would lose a lot of votes 30% of Labour voters voted leave. It's where disgruntled Tory votes would go not sure many would vote for Corbyn's Labour Party could be different if by some miracle a more centre Labour part emerged.
I have always voted conservative up until the previous election, where I voted Labour.
I don't think Labour supporters would vote conservative just because Jeremy Corbyn wanted to remain, it might kickstart ukip again.If we get a customs union (which businesses are pressing for and is likely the only way we'll keep a car industry), then we won't be able to negotiate any trade deals for anything that's covered with the customs union. I may be incorrect but I assume the customs union with the EU will cover almost everything. Can you name any segments that we'd want to stay out of the customs union to allow us to form FTAs? Chicken and Beef?
Leavers have really been sold a bum deal. What is China going to buy from us, they can't make for themselves unless we make it cheaper than they do? We'd only be able to compete in China on price if we cut taxes, wages & benefits. I don't think anyone voted to have the same horrendous working conditions as China.
America don't want to buy anything from anyone, look at how they are increasing tariffs on imports from their existing trading partners. So the trade would only be flowing one way, the biggest barrier to imports from the US is they are low quality & therefore illegal to import into the customs union.So he is trying to get back the feeling that he had in the 70s without realising that there are increasing numbers of people who were not even born then.
Or maybe he just wants to fix all the problems that were introduced since then? Not that the 70s were perfect, but it's clear that anything good that happened since was bought on credit to bribe the electorate.
I think Mays end of austerity is misjudged and just as bad as Brown's "the end to boom and bust". We're at a point where everything is going to go tits up thanks to brexit and she's just trying to keep the sheep calm enough they don't notice they are being taken to the slaughter house.0 -
Presumably, these are the young people who are looking towards 3 decades+ of employment then.
Tell me....how many new people will they have to compete with, if net migration runs at 3m+ per decade. Is it another 10 million in time? We are frequently told these new competitors never get sick; work harder; better educated (sound like Terminators to me).
Tell me...what does the technology landscape look like by 2050? What does the world geopolitics look like?
Has there been a pandemic in the intervening years? Has there been a major war? What about the rise of hardline religion or the matching rise in hard right politics?
It's laughable. Only a 12 year old with graph paper would attempt a linear projection of future earning.
The EU itself could easily be toast by 2050. Some saviour.
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