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Brexit the economy and house prices part 6
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The very reason we need international cooperation! Retreating into nationalist silos repeats the past pattern of European history.
You are right UK need an international cooperation rather than restricted in the EU.An International cooperation means not to join the EU. Join the EU prevent UK to strike its own deal.
EU is only part of Europe many countries are not the EU. In fact vast majority of largest economy on earth are not in the EU.0 -
You are right UK need an international cooperation rather than restricted in the EU.An International cooperation means not to join the EU. Join the EU prevent UK to strike its own deal.
EU is only part of Europe many countries are not the EU. In fact vast majority of largest economy on earth are not in the EU.
So you are advocating the break up of the UK on the basis of Wales, NI and Scotland not able to make there own trade deals?'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
The euro was always a political project and will remain so as long as there is no fiscal union i.e. as long as the EU lasts.
The EU and the euro is a peace project intended to create a community of countries that have no reason to go to war.
It's one of the reasons why most countries do the most trade with the countries near them.You are right UK need an international cooperation rather than restricted in the EU.An International cooperation means not to join the EU. Join the EU prevent UK to strike its own deal.
Striking trade deals with other countries isn't particularly helpful. We can already trade with all other countries. The problem is actually making something they want to buy at a price that they will pay.
The larger countries of the world have lower standards of living and lower rights, to trade with them we would need to adjust our own standard of living and rights to match or we won't be able to compete with their own industry.
There are other issues to consider. The trade deal we've been offered by India requires us to let more immigrants in than the targets set by the government. The trade deal that has been discussed with the US requires us to reduce our food standards (and Trump is famously against importing anything into the US, so it's only going one way).
Governments do trade deals to allow trade, it doesn't mean any trade will happen. That is up to individual companies to decide. So we could do a deal which allows immigrants to come here, get nothing in return.
At that point sterling collapses & we go back to banging on the EU's door. Like we did when we originally begged to join (it took three goes of us begging and being turned down)0 -
It all depends on what happens with brexit but if it doesn't go well for leave supporters then UKIP could be a problem for both parties.
UKIP was never a problem & never will be. Last time we tolerated the elitist racist Farage (he used a picture of a queue of muslims to cause fear in the electorate, so it's proven he is a racist).
There is no way any UKIP politician will be given the ability to spread their fear and lies again. The people who ever voted for them should be ashamed.A thousand+ years of European history is not on your side. There have been internal conflicts for a long time.
Oh, but it will all be different now, I suppose.
Right, that is the whole point of the EU, to be different. It's only half of the UK that wants no part of that peace.0 -
You don't think the votes they took of Labour weren't a problem for Labour Party same with Tories.UKIP was never a problem & never will be. Last time we tolerated the elitist racist Farage (he used a picture of a queue of muslims to cause fear in the electorate, so it's proven he is a racist).
There is no way any UKIP politician will be given the ability to spread their fear and lies again. The people who ever voted for them should be ashamed.
Right, that is the whole point of the EU, to be different. It's only us with half the country being racist who don't want to be part of that peace.0 -
I am talking about fact. Majority you are talking is just hypothetical which have not been proven true.
In fact it is already evendence that it is untrue as most the the largest econony on earth strike its own deal and is not in the EU.The EU and the euro is a peace project intended to create a community of countries that have no reason to go to war.
It's one of the reasons why most countries do the most trade with the countries near them.
Striking trade deals with other countries isn't particularly helpful. We can already trade with all other countries. The problem is actually making something they want to buy at a price that they will pay.
The larger countries of the world have lower standards of living and lower rights, to trade with them we would need to adjust our own standard of living and rights to match or we won't be able to compete with their own industry.
There are other issues to consider. The trade deal we've been offered by India requires us to let more immigrants in than the targets set by the government. The trade deal that has been discussed with the US requires us to reduce our food standards (and Trump is famously against importing anything into the US, so it's only going one way).
Governments do trade deals to allow trade, it doesn't mean any trade will happen. That is up to individual companies to decide. So we could do a deal which allows immigrants to come here, get nothing in return.
At that point sterling collapses & we go back to banging on the EU's door. Like we did when we originally begged to join (it took three goes of us begging and being turned down)0 -
The EU and the euro is a peace project intended to create a community of countries that have no reason to go to war.
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Seriously, :rotfl:
The EU is a quangoist moneymaking project pure and simple.
If it really was a peace project as you're determined to believe it's record isn't up to much.
Your "peace project" participants the Dutch didn't help in Srebrenica and more recently the EU haven't helped in the Ukraine - in fact most suggest that the whole Ukraine/Crimea situation is directly attributable to EU expansionism.0 -
You don't think the votes they took of Labour were a problem for Labour Party same with Tories.
If anything UKIP voters help Labour. Why else do you think the conservatives wanted to end the whole stupid idea.Seriously, :rotfl:
The EU is a quangoist moneymaking project pure and simple.
:rotfl: I think you're confusing them with the british government.If it really was a peace project as you're determined to believe it's record isn't up to much.
Your "peace project" participants the Dutch didn't help in Srebrenica and more recently the EU haven't helped in the Ukraine - in fact most suggest that the whole Ukraine/Crimea situation is directly attributable to EU expansionism.
How exactly do you think the EU should deal with Russia forcibly taking part of a country that isn't in the EU, but does have a lot of Russian immigrants in and then helping to destabilise the EU by putting out fake stories that fed the leave vote? How is it the EU's fault more than any other country?
As for Srebrenica they did a better job, one of Serbias pre conditions for joining was that Ratko Mladić was tried. When the conflict occurred they weren't in the EU, so again it's not really their fault.
It seems your arguments are just strawmen, obviously for the peace project to work, the countries have to be in the EU.0 -
UKIP was never a problem & never will be.
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This is probably the biggest load of bullpoop posted here in a long, long time.
UKIP were a huge problem, especially after stamping their authority in the elections for MEP's in 2014 where they won more votes than any other UK party.
They are a major reason why Dave said he'd have a referendum and so why we have Brexit.
The ones who should be ashamed are those remainers who persist in trying to undermine a democratic vote, because they are the ones who most risk the resurgence of the party they confess to hating.
Regardless of personal opinions of UKIP, one way or another they did what they said they would.
Anyone suggesting there wouldn't be a dramatic reawakening if Brexit is thwarted by a minority is only kidding themselves.
(Disclaimer: I am not promoting the current UKIP position and nor am I advocating their current stance and policies. I merely point out what has happened and what is likely to happen if a minority persist in overruling a democratic vote.)0
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