Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

cogito

phillw wrote: »

At that point sterling collapses & we go back to banging on the EU's door. Like we did when we originally begged to join (it took three goes of us begging and being turned down)

As usual, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Sterling cannot collapse. Its value relative to other currencies will vary according to economic circumstances.

Of which currency did the head of its central bank say that he would do everything it takes to save it? The euro, of course. Did you ever hear that said of any other currency? And can you name one other currency union that ever succeeded?

And we didn't beg to join the EU. We joined the Common Market after a couple of attempts which were turned down by De Gaulle. He had more sense than most.

cogito

phillw wrote: »

UKIP was never a problem & never will be. Last time we tolerated the elitist racist Farage (he used a picture of a queue of muslims to cause fear in the electorate, so it's proven he is a racist).

I don't know whether or not Farage used a picture of Muslims but last time I looked Islam was a religion, not a race.

phillw

cogito wrote: »

As usual, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Sterling cannot collapse. Its value relative to other currencies will vary according to economic circumstances.

As always your delusion is in full force. The effect on sterling after the referendum is there for all to see. There is no way sterling will trade at even that low level in a no deal situation. We might limp along with brexit in name only situation, until the country tears itself apart. There are no other options.

Reese Mogg is happy as he moved his money out of the country, dropping sterling will make him a fortune. Same as Farages little stunt where he claimed remain had won, so his hedge fund mates would make a killing. You've all been had.

No deal and trading under WTO rules would probably break uk law or WTO rules, because they can't put a hard border in ireland as parliament passed a law that says that but WTO rules require you to keep track of trade volumes between all countries you deal with. They won't let you fudge the figures, you have to check.

cogito wrote: »

I don't know whether or not Farage used a picture of Muslims but last time I looked Islam was a religion, not a race.

It's long been accepted that someone who discriminates based on religion counts as a racist, because religion is associated quite strongly with race.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

He picked the picture because the people don't look like us, studies have shown an innate discriminatory human behaviour. A survival instinct which was necessary when we didn't have laws to protect us, which we have to overcome in modern society. Some of us do it with pride, others don't like the idea of Brussels telling us what to do.

Arklight

wunferall wrote: »

"Strawmen" are they?
No.
Wrong.
You really do appear to have extremely little understanding of life beyond the UK.
:wall:

Tell the Catalonians brutally attacked by Spanish police yet with not a peep from the EU that there is peace in the EU because of the EU.

Tell Greek Cypriots that there is peace in the EU because of the EU.

So on the one hand you're criticising the EU for interfering in the sovereignty of your nation state (although like all you buddies you can't articulate a single instance of this happening), and on the other hand you're criticising the EU for not interfering in the sovereignty of someone else's nation state.

Congratulations, I award you an honorary degree in Brexit Logic.

You've earned it.

Moby

adindas wrote: »

You are right UK need an international cooperation rather than restricted in the EU.An International cooperation means not to join the EU. Join the EU prevent UK to strike its own deal.

EU is only part of Europe many countries are not the EU. In fact vast majority of largest economy on earth are not in the EU.

No you are ignoring the means by which international agreements are made. In our part of the world it is the EU. That is where the power lies. We wouldn’t suddenly decide to leave the UN and set up our own version. These agencies are set up over time through international co-operation and historical events. Just because part of our country wants to leave the EU doesn't change that and leaving it reduces our power and influence internationally.

Moby

wunferall wrote: »

Seriously, :rotfl:
The EU is a quangoist moneymaking project pure and simple.

If it really was a peace project as you're determined to believe it's record isn't up to much.
Your "peace project" participants the Dutch didn't help in Srebrenica and more recently the EU haven't helped in the Ukraine - in fact most suggest that the whole Ukraine/Crimea situation is directly attributable to EU expansionism.

This is just denial of the record compared to before the EU existed. Your hatred of the EU distorts your understanding of history.

Moby

Doesn't it bother brexiteers that this is what our Govmt is now reduced to, to minimise damage?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/27/jeremy-corbyn-second-brexit-vote-commons-amendment

Williams said: “Before politicians make the biggest leap that this country will make in all of our lifetimes, we should check with people to make sure this is really, really what they want to do. We now know so much more than we did in 2016. Companies are stopping investments in the UK. NHS staff are leaving because they don’t feel welcome. Medical research collaboration with Europe is ending.



“Our country will become poorer, have less influence and have less control with the type of Brexit deal that Theresa May is agreeing. Is this really a price worth paying?”

In a hair-raising rundown of planning for a no-deal Brexit, Dominic Raab, the Brexit secretary, told colleagues he was looking at whether trade could be rerouted through Dutch and Belgian ports should the French take a “tough stance”. He said Britain was highly dependent on the Channel tunnel and said the private sector should “think creatively” to help solve the capacity problem at UK ports.

On aviation, it was pointed out that while companies such as Ryanair could move their headquarters to keep planes flying between EU destinations, this was “not an option for British Airways”. It was also announced that the government was about to tender for warehouse space to store crucial medicines.

gfplux

Have Brexiters a view on future trade deals both with the EU and the dozens of countries that are queuing up to negotiate.

This is a once in a lifetime opportunity particularly with the EU.

Who do they think the Government should protect. What British Industry should be shielded or given a better opportunity.

Should British Farmers be protected.
What about British lamb?
What about British flower growers who can not get a look in because of EU imports.

I am sure there are many industry’s in the U.K. that would benefit from some protectionism. Who are they? Can Brexiters name them?

If as a Brexiter have you discussed or lobbied your MP about an industry in your area.
Huge trade deals are about to be negotiated particularly with the EU.
Surely with this opportunity facing Britain how or who is going to make the best of it.

kabayiri

Outside of the EU things will be challenging for a time, obviously.

Inside the EU, things will get increasingly challenging too.

Nobody from the Remain side has had any answer to the issue of rising numbers and limited infrastructure.

Hammond is looking at committing TENS of BILLIONS to just patch up the transport and other infrastructure.

The reason is obvious. We have not invested to keep up with the increased numbers coming here in numbers not seen before.

It kind of makes a mockery of any notion of the economic windfall of an individual migrant doesn't it.

If London does grow by another 2 million in a decade (or less), tell me where the additional housing and schooling and GP surgeries and buses are all going to come from.

The housing benefit bill will just go through the roof.

ukcarper

We still don't know if we can unilaterally withdraw article 50 so until then all this calling for another referendum is pointless.