Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

Nobody from the Remain side has had any answer to the issue of rising numbers and limited infrastructure.

We could always start properly investing in infrastructure.

It kind of makes a mockery of any notion of the economic windfall of an individual migrant doesn't it.

Not at all. You can't infer one from the other.

If London does grow by another 2 million in a decade (or less), tell me where the additional housing and schooling and GP surgeries and buses are all going to come from.

Same place they come from now; taxation of the higher population. 2 million people is a lot of additional tax

The housing benefit bill will just go through the roof.

Are migrants allowed to claim housing benefit? I thought they weren't. Or is that only if we apply the EU rules on self sufficiency?

LHW99

If only there was some way for small and medium sized Western nations to somehow join together and ensure they can remain relevant.

Used to be known as the EEC. It doesn't mean there is a need for political integration in addition.

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Why pick on Dyson. Investment abroad has been underway for decades. Brexit or no Brexit. Asia has learnt from the West and is moving ahead.

Because Dyson was a very vocal brexiteer and often cited how brexit would make UK businesses more competitive. Then does what all the other leading brexiteers have done and pit his money elsewhere.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

Because Dyson was a very vocal brexiteer and often cited how brexit would make UK businesses more competitive. Then does what all the other leading brexiteers have done and pit his money elsewhere.

Would he have manufactured car here if we had stayed in EU

wunferall

Arklight wrote: »

So on the one hand you're criticising the EU for interfering in the sovereignty of your nation state (although like all you buddies you can't articulate a single instance of this happening), and on the other hand you're criticising the EU for not interfering in the sovereignty of someone else's nation state.

Congratulations, I award you an honorary degree in Brexit Logic.

You've earned it.

As so often in this thread a remainer deliberately misinterprets the facts and then uses not very subtle insult just to point-score.
Will such people never realise that such actions are what led to Brexit in the first place?
:doh:

wunferall

phillw wrote: »

I accept what the result was ......

Sorry but :rotfl:

wunferall

kabayiri wrote: »

Outside of the EU things will be challenging for a time, obviously.

Inside the EU, things will get increasingly challenging too.

Remainers will insist on ignoring this or diverting attention (unsuccessfully) by saying we predict the imminent downfall of the EU.
An example being Moby who suggests that I hate the EU!
Not so, Moby.
Just because I'm not in awe of the EU like some here seem to be does not mean that I hate them.
No, the idea broadly-speaking is great.
The implementation though is generally p*ss-poor.
Disagree all you want but read on and see why I think that to be the case.


Back to kabayiri and these EU challenges, here are just a few that are ongoing:

* Migration - unresolved. Borders up in EU countries still, despite Schengen. Turkey is being paid billions and the already-suffering Greeks are being further put-upon with migrants still arriving and camps already full.

* Italy & the budget issue coming to a head. It will be interesting to see whether or not the EU can kick this particular can further down the road.

* Spain, and the Catalonia fiasco still unresolved and beginning to rear its head again. As it will until resolution is reached. (Note to Arklight: because you seem unaware, Spain is part of the EU and so is Catalonia. Unless it achieves independence. )

* Hungary & the EU falling out, with the EU trying to impose its rule where it isn't wanted. Again it will be interesting to see whether or not the EU can kick this particular can further down the road too.

* Poland & the EU falling out too, with the EU trying to impose its rule where it isn't wanted. Yet again it will be interesting to see whether or not the EU can kick this particular can further down the road. It's becoming a lot of cans.

* Rising populism across the EU. The next European Parliament elections for MEP's is in May 2019; the results will be interesting.

* The EU's attempted bullying of Switzerland is increasing tensions between the two, with the Swiss (basically) refusing to accept EU attempts at increasing integration.


There you go.
No hate for the EU there, sorry.
No reasons to adore it though as so many in here must do, so quick are they to try and defend the indefensible.

wunferall

Arklight wrote: »

Yes, and the sentence following that one, as in literally right after it.



If you want to experience life outside the EU, try experiencing losing your job in America.

This from one who earlier said:

Arklight wrote: »

Firstly try looking at the facts.

:rotfl:

Look, losing your job anywhere is not exactly a pleasant experience.
But unemployment in the USA is under 4%.


If you want to experience life inside the EU, ask how many are without a job in Greece.
Yes Greece; the country with the highest unemployment in the developed world - while it's an EU member.
Or in Spain, Italy or France where it remains well above double that of the UK.

If some here could actually manage to practice what they preach and look at the facts they might understand that the EU is far from being the panacea that they imagine it to be.

Zero_Gravitas

ukcarper wrote: »

Would he have manufactured car here if we had stayed in UK

I think we’re staying in the U.K. - or, having run out of damage to do, are Brexiteers now advocating the break-up of the union?

Thrugelmir

wunferall wrote: »

But unemployment in the USA is under 4%.

Is the success of the US economy (i.e. more productive) down to more flexible labour laws and less of being a nanny state?

PS. Not suggesting that the model is equitable and without fault.