Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

cogito

Moby wrote: »

The interesting thing is despite their issues Italy, Spain, Hungary, Poland also still choose to remain in the EU don't they! They know how much worse things would be out in the cold and they have learned from their history. By the way increasing populism is a huge issue in the West generally. How does breaking up the EU solve it? Do you think the issues that led to populism would then simply disappear? and I know one man who would be very happy....Vladimir Putin.

A recent poll commissioned by the EU itself found that given the chance, only 44% of Italians would vote to remain in the EU. But they won't be given the chance, will they?

And don't you think that the biggest issue giving rise to so called populism is that the political elites don't listen to the concerns of the people that they represent and that the EU is the biggest offender?

Theophile

cogito wrote: »

A recent poll commissioned by the EU itself found that given the chance, only 44% of Italians would vote to remain in the EU.

Fake news alert.

buglawton

A poll in June showed 55% of Italians who responded wanted to stay in. With another poll in October it's 44%...
https://www.thelocal.it/20181017/italy-eu-eurosceptic-italexit-brexit

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Theophile wrote: »

Fake news alert.

LOL - it's the usual Brexiteer half truth dance.

44 percent of Italians said benefits outweighed disadvantages compared to 41 percent the reverse. Nonetheless, that marked a turnaround from last October when 48 percent were negative and 39 percent positive.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-election-poll/poll-shows-support-for-eu-at-35-year-high-across-bloc-idUSKCN1IO2SP

Pro-EU sentiment in Italy now leads anti-EU sentiment and it's on an improving trend.

And across the EU pro-EU sentiment is now at a 35 year high.:beer:

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

A recent poll commissioned by the EU itself found that given the chance, only 44% of Italians would vote to remain in the EU. But they won't be given the chance, will they?

I thought you (in particular, and brexiteers) make a big deal about how unreliable polling is? That's still twice the majority Brexit got, so they clearly want to stay in.


Or does that only apply to the polling showing that Brexit popularity is fading (albeit slowly)?

And don't you think that the biggest issue giving rise to so called populism is that the political elites don't listen to the concerns of the people that they represent

Absolutely

and that the EU is the biggest offender?

Not even close.

gfplux

So it continues.

EU bashing to avoid posting about the Missing Brexit bonus.

Remainer bashing to avoid posting about the missing Brexit bonus.

Do any Brexiters care what will be in the trade deal between Britain and the EU?
Do any Brexiters care what will be in the trade deal with the dozens of countries lining up to negotiate a trade deal with Britain?

Do any Brexiters care about the industry where they live or even are employed by.

When you look over your shoulder you only see the past. Keep looking over your shoulder and you will miss what is being done in your name.

kabayiri

Arklight wrote: »

I didn't realise that citing facts and verifiable figures was a 'lefty deflection.' I understand now why you find these debates so frustrating.

Very little will change vis a vis immigration, post Brexit. If you expect all those 'low quality' migrants to disappear I'm afraid you shall be very disappointed.

Still no answer then. It's okay. I didn't really expect much.

If we need lower priced migrants, we can find them cheaper from elsewhere in the world. We can put them where we want, and not grant them residency rights either.

Other places do exactly this. Qatar is building building stadii right now using migrant labour.

Personally, I have no interest in individual migrants. I can afford to live in an area relatively unaffected.

But...it's very easy to see what massive population growth coupled with almost 10 years of austerity is leading to. The effects on transport are clear to see.

This isn't really about the EU. The EU principles define a particular model of nation state in effect, and I'm just not sure we meet that. Like the Euro, maybe we are just not compatible.

Herzlos

I'm not sure what answer you're expecting from him, given that he provided you with verifiable facts and you dismissed him without trying to argue or counter anything. One could be mistaken for thinking you know you've not got a point and are trying to dodge out of debating it.





A lot of the EU regulations are to try and avoid situations like the Saudi building labour migrants; an underclass brought in, given to rights/respect, worked to death and the discarded.


Do we really want to be taking Saudi as an example of how to do anything?


I don't personally give a stuff where a migrant comes from, just that they are law abiding and providing some economic value. I do give a stuff that they are treated in the same way as everyone else. We're supposed to be better than that.


I do suspect we're not compatible, and it's best for the EU if we were to leave. But is it best for us?

Herzlos

gfplux wrote: »

Do any Brexiters care what will be in the trade deal between Britain and the EU?
Do any Brexiters care what will be in the trade deal with the dozens of countries lining up to negotiate a trade deal with Britain?

Do any Brexiters care about the industry where they live or even are employed by.

I wish someone would prove me wrong, but you're never going to get an answer to any of that.

Joan_number_1_2

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

LOL - it's the usual Brexiteer half truth dance.

LOL - it's the usual remainer denial dance.

Remainers hate the fact not everybody thinks the sun shines out of the EU's rear end, that's why they deny polls like those above and deny the effects of populism.

Like .... will there be another election in Germany after the Hesse election and does the result equal the end of Merkel which in turn would lead to a weaker EU?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/28/angela-merkel-germany-elections-eu-europe
Oh and BTW, that is not an anti-EU report.