Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Herzlos

Is he actually wrong though?

Crashy_Time wrote: »

So forcing people to change their "national identity" by herding in millions of other "national identities" worked then? The issues in Germany and Italy tell us that the Great Experiment is not long for this world IMO.

Who's forcing anyone yo change their national identity?

cogito

Joan_number_1 wrote: »

"Hard-hitting"?
:rotfl:
He was a nonentity as a PM and if you seriously think that anyone - well, anyone who isn't just hunting for more anti-Brexit carp - is going to pay any attention to what he says that would be a first.
In fact IMHO it's the only reason he's said this.

He's also the clown who got us into this mess by forcing Maastricht through Parliament.

buglawton

Herzlos wrote: »

If they can support themselves then they couldn't be removed under the current powers. Maybe we could have pushed for additional controls but that be moving against the point of the freedoms.
I'm sure the EU was talking about some mechanism for balancing minimum wages to avoid that.

Talking about upping the minimum wage in Bulgaria or Romania from £1 to £7? "Good luck with that".

mrginge

I am really sick of remainers telling me how it’s such a terrible mistake and the electorate were wrong to make the decision they did.

At no point in the last two years have they tried to pursuade us of the benefits of the eu. It’s all negative ‘you’re thick, you don’t know what you voted for, it’s too difficult, we told you so...etc’
If it’s a mistake, why? Tell us what’s great about the eu and why we should be actively wanting to stay in it. Actually try and WIN the follow up argument rather than just constantly banging on about the first argument being lost because of lies or lack of knowledge.

It’s the easiest thing in the world to stand on the sidelines and criticise (see this thread). Grow some balls Mr Major and pals, try and be politicians with conviction rather than doom merchants.

Tromking

Joan_number_1 wrote: »

"Hard-hitting"?
:rotfl:
He was a nonentity as a PM and if you seriously think that anyone - well, anyone who isn't just hunting for more anti-Brexit carp - is going to pay any attention to what he says that would be a first.
In fact IMHO it's the only reason he's said this.

Major’s comments are just the latest in the internecine battle within the Conservative Party on Europe. Both major parties, especially the Tories need to declare themselves pro or anti EU and give up the the farce of trying to be all things to all people.

Daniel54

mrginge wrote: »

I am really sick of remainers telling me how it’s such a terrible mistake and the electorate were wrong to make the decision they did.

At no point in the last two years have they tried to pursuade us of the benefits of the eu. It’s all negative ‘you’re thick, you don’t know what you voted for, it’s too difficult, we told you so...etc’
If it’s a mistake, why? Tell us what’s great about the eu and why we should be actively wanting to stay in it. Actually try and WIN the follow up argument rather than just constantly banging on about the first argument being lost because of lies or lack of knowledge.

It’s the easiest thing in the world to stand on the sidelines and criticise (see this thread). Grow some balls Mr Major and pals, try and be politicians with conviction rather than doom merchants.

I will answer you as best I can

Firstly I concur that resorting to perjorative terms demeans legitimate debate.Let’s stop using words like quitling or remoaner.

Like everyone else with an enquiring mind,I have learnt a lot since the referendum.It would be good to think that we have moved into the practalties of where we are

The EU is the deepest and most comprehensive free trade agreement between independent nations in the world.This has been of benefit to the UK.Frictionless trade with geographical neighbours works in that way.

I hadn’t realised quite how much the EU ,with our support, had been leading the charge in reducing trade frictions around the world through their various agreements,either full FTAs or other agreements such as Everything but Arms for the poorest nations

Try as I might,I can see no advantage to our country in
foregoing the benefits that membership of the EU confers.

To reverse the question,whY do you think leaving the EU is to the benefit of our country’s citizens ?

Moby

Joan_number_1 wrote: »

You missed Poland, Hungary, France, Sweden, Austria, the Netherlands ..... hold on!
There's not much of the EU it hasn't affected and the resulting problems are still ongoing.
Borders and arguments about borders; countries refusing refugee-laden ships to dock; countries refusing to accept quotas of those that have arrived; the EU paying Turkey billions to stop migrants and more.
Years the EU have had and they still have no effective solution.

The EU is not the cause of the African refugee crisis. Show me how the UK acting alone will solve the African/Middle East refugee crisis?

Moby

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

If the eu does not see itself as a country then why does it need a flag, why does it need a parliament (based expensively in two countries to appease the french), why does it want an army.?

They say they want ever closer union, that can only end one way (assuming it doesn't self combust first).

Is the UN a country?

buglawton

Daniel54 wrote: »

I will answer you as best I can

Firstly I concur that resorting to perjorative terms demeans legitimate debate.Let’s stop using words like quitling or remoaner.

Like everyone else with an enquiring mind,I have learnt a lot since the referendum.It would be good to think that we have moved into the practalties of where we are

The EU is the deepest and most comprehensive free trade agreement between independent nations in the world.This has been of benefit to the UK.Frictionless trade with geographical neighbours works in that way.

I hadn’t realised quite how much the EU ,with our support, had been leading the charge in reducing trade frictions around the world through their various agreements,either full FTAs or other agreements such as Everything but Arms for the poorest nations

Try as I might,I can see no advantage to our country in
foregoing the benefits that membership of the EU confers.

To reverse the question,whY do you think leaving the EU is to the benefit of our country’s citizens ?

Why do free trade agreements between countries with wildly different unemployment rates and wildly different minimum wages, have to include almost unfettered freedom of movement?

Moby

buglawton wrote: »

Why do free trade agreements between countries with wildly different unemployment rates and wildly different minimum wages, have to include almost unfettered freedom of movement?

The four freedoms are regarded as crucial towards reducing the economic disparity between East and West Europe. It's worked......those countries have now been drawn into the EU's orbit instead of Russia's. The balkans, a traditional hot bed of ethnic strife are now more stable.