Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Herzlos

Will you hold Leave to the same standards?

I'd be all for insisting on a 55/45 split, but I'm not sure what'd happen if it was narrower than that given the time constraints. So a simple majority would be the most pragmatic.

I think the resentment revolves around claims that a 51.9% result is a clear indication of anything.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

Will you hold Leave to the same standards?

I'd be all for insisting on a 55/45 split, but I'm not sure what'd happen if it was narrower than that given the time constraints. So a simple majority would be the most pragmatic.

I think the resentment revolves around claims that a 51.9% result is a clear indication of anything.

Yes indeed.

If people are right, and there is a problem of trust between the voters and the politicians when it comes to referendum process, then to just implement another referendum wouldn't fix that.

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

Lots of talk about second referendum, but little detail.

There's no detail to discuss. Which appears to be the issue. Just endless speculation.

BobQ

kabayiri wrote: »

Lots of talk about second referendum, but little detail.

Would it be run on the same winning margin terms as the last one? This is a cause of resentment amongst some, I believe.

So, if we said 55/45 margin and the Remain option won by 52/48, what then?

Would we know the Remain terms up front, or is it guesswork again?

Very true but the Government would pick the rules to match their expectations. They always do:)

I was just noting that we appear to have a transformation from the majority not wanting a referendum of any kind to one where they do

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

I was just noting that we appear to have a transformation from the majority not wanting a referendum of any kind to one where they do

The concept of the EU was to bring unity and peace to Europe. After two centuries of wars. Seems now to be bringing the prospect of disunity and social unrest. Reopening the scars of previous conflicts. Which lay just beneath the surface. Where did the concept go wrong? Or were people misled at the outset.

vivatifosi

There is something I'm struggling to get my head around.

We were offered a Canada style deal, but negotiations failed due to failure to agree the location of the border.

Now we are heading for a no deal, that border issue isn't going to go away. So why aren't both sides looking more laterally at solving the border issue and moving towards a Canada deal? It's ludicrous. Sigh.

gfplux

It is clear that the fault all lies with

1) The EU
and
2) Remainers

The Brexiters new exactly what they wanted but the bad EU would not give it and the remainers only encouraged the EU to reject the Cake and Eat it request from Britain.

Herzlos

vivatifosi wrote: »

There is something I'm struggling to get my head around.

We were offered a Canada style deal, but negotiations failed due to failure to agree the location of the border.

Now we are heading for a no deal, that border issue isn't going to go away. So why aren't both sides looking more laterally at solving the border issue and moving towards a Canada deal? It's ludicrous. Sigh.

Because in a no deal situation, the border placement becomes the EUs fault/problem. "We didn't want a border. The EU did It" they'll scream.

Graham_Devon

Herzlos wrote: »

Will you hold Leave to the same standards?

I'd be all for insisting on a 55/45 split, but I'm not sure what'd happen if it was narrower than that given the time constraints. So a simple majority would be the most pragmatic.

I think the resentment revolves around claims that a 51.9% result is a clear indication of anything.

But wouldn't setting the goalposts at 55/45 simply be, well.... a setup?

If we do have a second referendum, I wouldn't be surprised is remain are given a headstart.

But then I equally wouldn't be surprised if the anger that creates boils over into something even less palatable.

Absolutely no point in giving a re-run of a referendum of loaded terms.

Tromking

BobQ wrote: »

An interesting article suggesting a credible option is the UK remaining in the EU with modification of FOM or leaving but remaining in the EEA with a similar solution.

http://www.kymcohealthcare.com/?q=products/show/4

It seems the tide is turning for a second referendum now.

But still the potential for an unholy mess

I agree.
With other countries on the mainland disappearing down right wing populist ratholes, its probably not lost on the EU that Cameron’s ‘demands’ of a couple years back look rather benign in comparison today.
I think there is a burgeoning realisation on the mainland that Brexit ends with a few pragmatic concessions as part of a second referendum.