Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

However, I want to hear from the EU next time. What is it *exactly* they plan for the future, and how would UK now fit into those plans.

The UK is simply one of the club. Majority view rules. Logically the member states of the Eurozone need to intergrate fiscally closer. Taxation levels, benefit levels, etc. Otherwise the ECB may face far larger challenges in unwinding QE than individual countries. One size may not fit all.

Enterprise_1701C

fatbeetle wrote: »

People only see what they are prepared to see

Ralph Waldo Emerson

I'm sure that if I took a driving holiday on the continent (Australia, China, and Indonesia, are more on my agenda,) I would avoid the poverty ridden hell holes, and immigrant over-run areas too. You were on a H-O-L-I-D-A-Y, did you not notice? Your perceptions of the UK are likewise coloured by your prejudices.

Totally agree. When we were on holiday in Kenya (yes I know it is not eu) we were driving along a lovely road through the sahara, long straight and smooth. We did not however take any if the turnings to the townships which were doubtless dust streets and broken down housing, only to the parks that you expect to be bad.

Egypt presents a pretty face to the holidaymakers, but is downtrodden in residential areas.

Paris? My OH would not even consider driving there - way too dangerous. We saw a few accidents when we were there for the weekend. So much so that the other times we were there it became the norm.

As for when we were in Rome, I have no idea how long the cars there last but, when parking, they use their bumpers and the bumpers of the cars in front and behind in order to get into small spaces. Not good.

I have been to quite a few places where the main roads are wonderful, but they are the only real roads, the rest are dirt tracks.

I think it is time people stopped painting the UK as such an awful place. If people are so enamoured of the eu then they should move to one of the countries that is prepared to be ruled by Germany. We live in a wonderful country, incredibly tolerant of other nationalities and a very open society. I for one will be staying in this wonderful country with a bright future.

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

I think like many people you are really over estimating how many people would now vote remain

I agree, despite all of the exposed lies there are a lot of people who won't change their mind. The middle ground could still sway either way, but those at the fringes are immune from facts. Last polling I'd seen would have put it about 55/45 Remain. That's double the margin of the first referendum, but still far too close for Remain to be comfortable.


How Remain would approach it I'm not sure; any statement of the facts will be written off as Project Fear again, and there's really nothing else you can do in a post-factual political landscape. The best thing for Remain is in all honesty a hard brexit. Peoples eye's would open to how catastrophic Brexit would be once they start suffering personally.

buglawton

kabayiri wrote: »

Tsk, excuses, excuses.
I have actually worked in Brussels; Paris; a little in Frankfurt.
Gfplux managed it !

I've worked in Belgium and Germany. But wouldn't be interested in doing it again. Just frustrated that it's not easy to seamlessly apply for jobs in US/Canada/AU and wish the UK had skills exchange deals with them.

Enterprise_1701C

buglawton wrote: »

I've worked in Belgium and Germany. But wouldn't be interested in doing it again. Just frustrated that it's not easy to seamlessly apply for jobs in US/Canada/AU and wish the UK had skills exchange deals with them.

Hopefully we will have before too long.

It is rather annoying that we cannot have our own trade deals with the commonwealth at the moment.

StevieJ

kabayiri wrote: »

It might sound contrary, but I'm open to a Leave or Remain should there be another vote.

However, I want to hear from the EU next time. What is it *exactly* they plan for the future, and how would UK now fit into those plans.

I've no problem with those who want a much more integrated EU, but just be open about it.

Eurozone closer integration, the rest no further integration. What exactly was the problem?

kabayiri

StevieJ wrote: »

Eurozone closer integration, the rest no further integration. What exactly was the problem?

The UK position would seem to be one of sitting on the periphery of such a zone. I saw an EU sourced report that said the UK would be affected, that change was unavoidable.

It isn't a problem to ask how you deal with being in the slower lane of a 2 speed EU.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

kabayiri wrote: »

It isn't a problem to ask how you deal with being in the slower lane of a 2 speed EU.

Better than the fast lane of a road to nowhere....

Ballard

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Totally agree. When we were on holiday in Kenya (yes I know it is not eu) we were driving along a lovely road through the sahara, long straight and smooth.

Are you sure that you’ve got the right country? I’m fairly sure that the Sahara doesn’t penetrate into Kenya. I’m asking for my curiosity rather than nitpicking as I have an interest in such things.

Ballard

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Hopefully we will have before too long.

It is rather annoying that we cannot have our own trade deals with the commonwealth at the moment.

How long after we leave the EU before we sign our first trade deal, do you think? Also, which countries do you think that we should concentrate on first?