Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

System

Moby wrote: »

Held to ransom by the DUP ....welcome to brexit Britain.

The UK government has always been held to ransom by the Irish MPs.
In the 19th century it was the Nationalists, in 1916 the Unionists.


It's nothing to do with "Brexit Britain" - it's a consequence of having regions within the UK whose views may differ from Westminster.
What about the SNP? Or the Lib-Dems and the Coalition?

Moby

Clifford_Pope wrote: »

The UK government has always been held to ransom by the Irish MPs.
In the 19th century it was the Nationalists, in 1916 the Unionists.


It's nothing to do with "Brexit Britain" - it's a consequence of having regions within the UK whose views may differ from Westminster.
What about the SNP? Or the Lib-Dems and the Coalition?

What you say above is true and it changes nothing. The future of the majority is being decided by partisan interest groups. Are you happy with that? Did you consider this outcome when you voted in the referendum? Did people when they voted consider it could lead to the break up of the Union?

Moby

Filo25 wrote: »

Up until Brexit I would have said ti was a distant prospect, as middle class catholics were generally happy enough with how things stood in NI, if we go full cliff-edge no deal hard border though, and combine that with no power sharing in NI, I would say things would be a hell of a lot closer in a border poll and I would think the demographic trends don't favour the protestant population going forwards.

I'm sure our brexiteer colleagues considered these repercussions when they voted for brexit? Similarly in Scotland it is clear the brexit vote has changed the atmosphere and brought forward the probability of Scottish independence imo.

andrewf75

Moby wrote: »

Similarly in Scotland it is clear the brexit vote has changed the atmosphere and brought forward the probability of Scottish independence imo.

Not sure. Of course Scottish remainers would be particularly angry, but I believe a high proportion of independence supporting Scots also voted leave. Plus, Brexit makes Scottish independence a lot harder in many ways.

movilogo

A lot of people who understand NI politics far better than I do seem to think reunification is inevitable anyway, its just a matter of time.

If Ireland is shafted big way after Brexit, they might decide to quit EU too and go for even closer relationship with UK.

Once UK leaves EU, it is only matter of time further countries leave the bloc.

Filo25

movilogo wrote: »

If Ireland is shafted big way after Brexit, they might decide to quit EU too and go for even closer relationship with UK.

Once UK leaves EU, it is only matter of time further countries leave the bloc.

Not a likely scenario for Ireland at present ..... to put it politely

andrewf75

I think things would have to get pretty bad before Ireland chose the UK over the EU! Unlike us, they know what its like to genuinely be ruled over by a foreign power.

If as seems likely now some kind of customs union deal is done, Ireland won't be shafted.

Herzlos

Clifford_Pope wrote: »

The UK government has always been held to ransom by the Irish MPs.
In the 19th century it was the Nationalists, in 1916 the Unionists.


It's nothing to do with "Brexit Britain" - it's a consequence of having regions within the UK whose views may differ from Westminster.
What about the SNP? Or the Lib-Dems and the Coalition?

DUP are currently the only fringe group that are Kingmakers - May needs their seats to get a majority, if she can't get any Labour MP's to defect. The fact she bribed them with £1,000,000,000 should be enough to illustrate that.

mrginge

Herzlos wrote: »

DUP are currently the only fringe group that are Kingmakers - May needs their seats to get a majority, if she can't get any Labour MP's to defect. The fact she bribed them with £1,000,000,000 should be enough to illustrate that.

Seems a bit odd for people to be complaining about one minority group propping up the govt while desperately hoping that a small bunch of remain tories will do the exact opposite.

The joys of parliamentary democracy eh!

Backbiter

The Office for Budget Responsibility - is that an anti -Brexit pressure group?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/11/uks-public-spending-watchdog-warns-of-severe-impact-of-no-deal-brexit

UK's public spending watchdog warns of severe impact of no-deal Brexit
OBR says crashing out of EU would weaken economy and cause stockpiling of food

The latest warnings over no-deal Brexit come after the International Monetary Fund warned that the UK would suffer “dire consequences” from a failure to reach a deal, in a scenario that would force Britain to trade with the EU on World Trade Organization rules, which are more onerous than the unimpeded access available at present.

The independent OBR said the outcome of the EU referendum two years ago had already negatively affected the economy and the public finances. GDP growth in the UK has slowed since the Brexit vote, with Britain falling from the top to the bottom of the growth league of G7 wealthy nations.

If only these people wouldn't talk about the drawbacks, everything would be wonderful.