Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Joan_number_1_2

Herzlos wrote: »

Ah, so it's got nothing to do with the the EU after all.

Isn't it?
Feel free to do your own reading since what others post you largely ignore or dodge any way but a few pointers for you.

Bulgarian media reported that Marinova recently interviewed Romanian journalists who were investigating politicians and businessmen for alleged corruption of EU funds.

Before his death Kuciak was working on an investigative report, uncovering ties between Slovak government officials and an Italian !!!!! syndicate, who were supposedly collaborating to commit fraud of EU subsidy funds.

Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist and anti-corruption activist who was investigating Maltese government links to money laundering and tax evasion. She was killed in a car bomb close to her home last year. ...... "Malta's EU membership, instead of serving as protection, made us a more attractive prize for these people."

You see the financial system in the EU is so open to corruption that reporters being reporters, they will uncover it.
If they live long enough.

Joan_number_1_2

andrewf75 wrote: »

The truth is though that virtually no remainers love the EU as much as leavers hate it.

That'll be why we see dogs wrapped in EU flags outside the HoP and such then? :wall:

andrewf75 wrote: »

For most remainers it’s a pragmatic position, they weighed up the pros and cons and came down on the side of remain.

You're suggesting that leavers - who are the majority I will remind you - were not equally as pragmatic?

andrewf75 wrote: »

I’d suggest quite a few leavers didn’t do that or even recognise any pros.

Ah, you were.
That leads me to:

andrewf75 wrote: »

Those who call the remain side EUphiles and the like are as naiive as those remainers who label leavers as racists.

And those who won't accept that a leaver could have been as pragmatic as a remainer in their voting choice, it seems.

Joan_number_1_2

Herzlos wrote: »

Hopefully a member state will bring it up at some point, because it definitely should be addressed.

:rotfl:
They'll be scared of pushing Italy on a track out of the EU.

Besides, the EU never bothered about France or Germany breaking EU budgeting rules for years.
Look it up.

Joan_number_1_2

If Barnier doesn't stop the border nonsense it looks like being no deal.

Michel Barnier has claimed a Brexit deal could be within reach by next Wednesday but warned the prime minister that only by abandoning a key red line and agreeing to a customs union can impediments on trade between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK be avoided.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/10/brexit-deal-may-must-agree-on-customs-union-says-barnier

Non Monsieur Barnier.
That would not fulfill the requirements of our referendum, which decided that the UK must leave the EU.

Herzlos

Joan_number_1 wrote: »

If Barnier doesn't stop the border nonsense it looks like being no deal.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/10/brexit-deal-may-must-agree-on-customs-union-says-barnier

Non Monsieur Barnier.
That would not fulfill the requirements of our referendum, which decided that the UK must leave the EU.

Turkey is not in the EU but has a customs union. A customs union doesn't make us in the EU.

It's also a valid point; all May has ever had to do is drop one of the red lines to get a deal that can be done in days.

Herzlos

Joan_number_1 wrote: »

And those who won't accept that a leaver could have been as pragmatic as a remainer in their voting choice, it seems.

I'm sure you did it based purely on pragmatism but all the research has been showing that Leave was won on emotion. People willing to take a financial loss to preserve Britishness.
What were the pragmatic reasons you voted to leave, if you don't mind me asking?

Herzlos

Joan_number_1 wrote: »

Isn't it?
Feel free to do your own reading since what others post you largely ignore or dodge any way but a few pointers for you.




You see the financial system in the EU is so open to corruption that reporters being reporters, they will uncover it.
If they live long enough.

I'm not sure if we're talking at cross purposes here; I thought you meant people investigating the EU organisation for corruption we're being killed. It now sounds like you're talking about corruption involving EU money in 3rd party hands?

Not that I'm saying the EU isn't corrupt; it's run by humans so likely just as corrupt as Westminster.

antrobus

Lornapink wrote: »

Why don't you fear the looming Italian crisis and impacts this could have for EU members?

Que?

I didn't mention Italy.

I was simply making an attempted joke. As in we have a die hard Labour supporter citing the support of business leaders for his view that Brexit will be bad, where the same constituency believe that Corbyn will be bad. I doubt they'd argue that the latter was a reason to vote Conservative.:)

Anyway, why do you fear 'the looming Italian crisis'?

Thrugelmir

antrobus wrote: »

Anyway, why do you fear 'the looming Italian crisis'?

Different proposition to Greece. Third largest economy within the Eurozone. Big importer from France and Germany. Higly indebted. Banks far from recapitalised post crisis with a high % of non performing loans on their books. Two decades of low growth / stagnation.

gfplux

The currency markets think a withdrawal/transition deal is close.
Let us hope so.
The sooner this uncertainty ends the better.
Then perhaps posters will concentrate on the deal rather than scrap over EU good or bad.
I except the referendum result and except Britain leaves the EU in less than six months. That does not mean I believe it is the right decision. But just like teenagers sometimes you have to let them find out what a bad decision looks like.