Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

fatbeetle

The UK economy grew by 0.7% in the three months to August, buoyed by the hot summer, the Office for National Statistics said.

But the ONS said that in August, GDP growth was flat. Economists had predicted 0.1% growth.

The three-month measure was the fastest pace of growth since February 2017, economists said.

The ONS's head of GDP, Rob Kent-Smith, said the economy had "continued to rebound strongly after a weak spring".

He said retail, food and drink production and house building had all performed particularly well during the hot summer months.

Damn, where IS Osborne's predicted recession. We really need it to make the UK suffer....

andrewf75

Lornapink wrote: »

The duality and lack of self-awareness is off the scale.

As it is for their equivalents on the leave side. From your posts here you appear to be one of those just like the remainers you list who simply has no time for the opposing arguments.

What will Remainers say when the Irish border issue is resolved? What will be their excuse?

The majority will say, great!

What will Leavers say if it isn't? Blame Remainers? Blame the EU?

Some people seem to regard it all as a competition to score points off the other side.

Lornapink

andrewf75 wrote: »

The majority will say, great!

But prominent Remainers insist there never will be a solution to the Irish border, that to think otherwise makes you a post-fact lemming conned by rich tax avoiders. Alistair Campbell and James O'Brien ridicule any suggestion a solution can be found.

In other words die-hard Remainers say there can be no change to our reality, that it's fixed in aspic, there can be no escape from the EU, that all issues have no solutions, that we must simply capitulate an accept reality as it is.

andrewf75

Lornapink wrote: »

But prominent Remainers insist there never will be a solution to the Irish border, that to think otherwise makes you a post-fact lemming conned by rich tax avoiders. Alistair Campbell and James O'Brien ridicule any suggestion a solution can be found.

In other words die-hard Remainers say there can be no change to our reality, that it's fixed in aspic, there can be no escape from the EU, that all issues have no solutions, that we must simply capitulate an accept reality as it is.

but you're talking about "diehards" who as I just said are doing the points scoring thing. Equally, there are die-hard leavers who simply say we just won't have a border and if the EU wants one they can pay for it!

Obviously there are solutions. But there doesn't appear to be one unless one party concedes on their red lines. There are clearly some of these red lines that are incompatible with each other.

Herzlos

Lornapink wrote: »

But prominent Remainers insist there never will be a solution to the Irish border, that to think otherwise makes you a post-fact lemming conned by rich tax avoiders. Alistair Campbell and James O'Brien ridicule any suggestion a solution can be found.

We've been saying that Mays red lines are incompatible with the EU's 4 freedoms and the GFA, and that is there's no solution that satisfies all of them. There are plenty of solutions to the Irish border if May is willing to upset some group.


If you or any other leaver can find any credible solution (that doesn't violate one of the above) to Irish border then most Remainers will be happy.

One common theme from the Leave campaign is a disdain for the 'small details', like how it'll actually work.

In other words die-hard Remainers say there can be no change to our reality, that it's fixed in aspic, there can be no escape from the EU, that all issues have no solutions, that we must simply capitulate an accept reality as it is.

There's plenty escape from the EU, and leaving is absolutely trivial. What isn't is finding a solution that keeps everyone happy, because of all the contradictory demands. We don't need to capitulate (though we will, because May is a poor, well, anything), we just need to pick which options we want to take and then take them.

Joan_number_1_2

fatbeetle wrote: »

Damn, where IS Osborne's predicted recession. We really need it to make the UK suffer....

EU growth 2nd quarter 0.4%
Remind us again what the UK's was?
Yet still we're told that Brexit is already having a major negative impact!
:rotfl:

andrewf75

Herzlos wrote: »

We don't need to capitulate (though we will, because May is a poor, well, anything), we just need to pick which options we want to take and then take them.

It’s a shame anyone views compromise as capitulation. Life is always about compromise and you can never have everything. The problem is that leave campaigners have promised too much. You can understand that approach before the vote, but to still be doing that after winning is ridiculous and has simply created the situation where the eventual compromise will be seen by some as capitulation.

May comes across poorly, but no-one else could do any better in the circumstances. Whoever was in charge the same fundamental issues would remain that leaving the single market/customs union is incompatible with having an open border with it!

Filo25

andrewf75 wrote: »

It’s a shame anyone views compromise as capitulation. Life is always about compromise and you can never have everything. The problem is that leave campaigners have promised too much. You can understand that approach before the vote, but to still be doing that after winning is ridiculous and has simply created the situation where the eventual compromise will be seen by some as capitulation.

May comes across poorly, but no-one else could do any better in the circumstances. Whoever was in charge the same fundamental issues would remain that leaving the single market/customs union is incompatible with having an open border with it!

It seems to be something the EU brings out in people.

I wonder if there will be the same level of outrage from the same people when we start to see what the US is demanding from trade talks with us (and I doubt the US will be planing on doing a great deal of compromising in those negotiaions either)

cogito

Filo25 wrote: »

It seems to be something the EU brings out in people.

I wonder if there will be the same level of outrage from the same people when we start to see what the US is demanding from trade talks with us (and I doubt the US will be planing on doing a great deal of compromising in those negotiaions either)

We have managed to trade quite successfully with the US for more than 200 years without any kind of trade deal. Why do we need one now?

kingstreet

Joan_number_1 wrote: »

EU growth 2nd quarter 0.4%
Remind us again what the UK's was?
Yet still we're told that Brexit is already having a major negative impact!
:rotfl:

Wow!

We're winning in a "taller than Danny Devito" contest.