Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Joan_number_1_2

Herzlos wrote: »

Turkey is not in the EU but has a customs union. A customs union doesn't make us in the EU.

It's also a valid point; all May has ever had to do is drop one of the red lines to get a deal that can be done in days.

You didn't bother reading the article in my link, did you?

The British government would have to give up on its plans for free-trade deals with China and the US under such an agreement, the EU’s chief negotiator insisted

So in effect still obeying EU rules, = IN the EU.


All Barnier has to do is give a little and deal done.
But it sounds like he's trying the hardball approach.
WTO Brexit because of him.

Herzlos

Joan_number_1 wrote: »

You didn't bother reading the article in my link, did you?

So in effect still obeying EU rules, = IN the EU.

That's still not IN the EU. It's also the only logical approach if we want seamless trade into the EU.

All Barnier has to do is give a little and deal done.
But it sounds like he's trying the hardball approach.
WTO Brexit because of him.

You could say the same about May. She only has to give a little and it's done.


Barnier has been consistent from the start about what is and isn't open for negotiation, and there's no a la carte.

Joan_number_1_2

gfplux wrote: »

The currency markets think a withdrawal/transition deal is close.
Let us hope so.
The sooner this uncertainty ends the better.
Then perhaps posters will concentrate on the deal rather than scrap over EU good or bad.
I except the referendum result and except Britain leaves the EU in less than six months. That does not mean I believe it is the right decision. But just like teenagers sometimes you have to let them find out what a bad decision looks like.

Or the good when things start to go well.

Agree with "The sooner this uncertainty ends the better." though & I wish Barnier would stop his nonsense.
Even if it's what he thinks, why verbalise it to the media if not to cause friction.

Joan_number_1_2

Herzlos wrote: »

That's still not IN the EU. It's also the only logical approach if we want seamless trade into the EU.



You could say the same about May. She only has to give a little and it's done.


Barnier has been consistent from the start about what is and isn't open for negotiation, and there's no a la carte.

If we have to do what the EU tell us to do regarding trade with other countries that is EU controlling the UK = in the EU.

Barnier has been consistent in not moving.
The UK has moved.
Time for the EU to move or no deal IMHO.

Moby

Held to ransom by the DUP ....welcome to brexit Britain.

Herzlos

Joan_number_1 wrote: »

If we have to do what the EU tell us to do regarding trade with other countries that is EU controlling the UK = in the EU.

If we want seamless trade into the EU, we have to do what they want WRT to trade. So our choices are thus:
* Meet the conditions for seamless trade.
* Don't have seamless trade.


May has had 2 years to choose one and still hasn't. Once she picks the deal is done and we can move on.



Think that's unfair? Replace EU with Madagascar or Asda - want to trade with them? Accept their terms.

Barnier has been consistent in not moving.
The UK has moved.
Time for the EU to move or no deal IMHO.

Negotiation doesn't mean meeting in the middle, when one party is trying to get concessions that were ruled out 2 years ago. The EU has been firm, has nowhere to move to (without damaging the EU) and has no obligation to move.


If they give us a customs free trade deal whilst allowing us to form a free trade deal with anyone else, that puts us at a huge advantage over EU countries and makes it impossible catch grey (or black) imports. It's just not gonna happen.




Plus it's not Barnier being stubborn; he's only the gatekeeper, he's following directions from the EU27, which have surprisingly consistent - I'm not sure they ever been so much in agreement. The EU27 want to preserve the EU and there's no cake and eat it.

StevieJ

Herzlos wrote: »

Think that's unfair? Replace EU with Madagascar or Asda - want to trade with them? Accept their terms.
t.

Or the US, they are going to trample all over us, in fact they have already started.

The U.S. is threatening to block the U.K. from a 46-nation public procurement agreement, a move that would deny British companies from accessing a near $2 trillion marketplace after leaving the European Union, according to two officials with knowledge of the situation.
Upper HandThe U.S. move fits a pattern of trade strategy President Donald Trump’s administration has recently utilized to its benefit, exploiting points of leverage to exact an upper hand in negotiations, even when the party across the table is a close ally. The U.S. imposed tariffs on steel and aluminum imports before negotiating an updated free-trade agreement with Mexico and Canada; and Trump has threatened the EU with levies on its car exports as the two sides deliberate over a new trade pact.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-09/u-s-is-said-to-mull-blocking-u-k-from-global-procurement-pact

Lungboy

Joan_number_1 wrote: »

If we have to do what the EU tell us to do regarding trade with other countries that is EU controlling the UK = in the EU.

No, being in the EU means we'd have a say on such things and could work to change them. We'd have absolutely no say, so we'd definitely be out of the EU.

Moby

Lungboy wrote: »

No, being in the EU means we'd have a say on such things and could work to change them. We'd have absolutely no say, so we'd definitely be out of the EU.

Never ceases to amaze me how such simple facts regarding the consequences of leaving a club are so hard to understand!

andrewf75

Joan_number_1 wrote: »

That'll be why we see dogs wrapped in EU flags outside the HoP and such then? :wall:

and how many of those were there? This is a handful of people not representative of most remainers.

You're suggesting that leavers - who are the majority I will remind you - were not equally as pragmatic?

I don't think its particularly controversial to suggest that emotion played a much bigger role for leavers. Anyone with a good understanding of peoples views can see that.

And those who won't accept that a leaver could have been as pragmatic as a remainer in their voting choice, it seems.

No, I completely accepts that a leaver can be just as pragmatic! What I said was that many more leavers voted purely on emotion. Again, that's obvious and shouldn't be controversial.