Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

mrginge

cogito wrote: »

Looks like the EU cherry picking again.

Of course not cogito.

That’s why the customs agreement with turkey and the fta with Canada also require them to adhere to the EUs FOM rules.

Erm.

If I was cynical I might think that certain MEPs might be getting a bit twitchy at the thought of all the skilled people being welcomed into the UK while all the car washers trundle off to wash cars in those certain MEPs home countries.
But i’m not so I don’t think that at all.

LHW99

Originally Posted by Moby
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/02/eu-anger-over-mays-post-brexit-immigration-plan


Doesn't bode well for a deal in October

And Mr Verhofstadt says “We will never accept discrimination based on skills and on nationality."
As I understand it the idea is not to discriminat of nationality - EU and non-EU citizens subject to the same rules. As for skills - if we need doctors, I am not sure I want them to consider employing vegeetable pickers for the posts!

mrginge

LHW99 wrote: »

And Mr Verhofstadt says “We will never accept discrimination based on skills and on nationality."
As I understand it the idea is not to discriminat of nationality - EU and non-EU citizens subject to the same rules. As for skills - if we need doctors, I am not sure I want them to consider employing vegeetable pickers for the posts!

I was recently turned down as a member of the European Ryder cup team on the basis that I am not only Australian, but also unbelievably !!!! at golf.

So it is heartwarming to now know that I have been unfairly discriminated against and so will be contacting legal representation forthwith.

Arklight

Cameron had an opportunity to state the facts about the EU clearly before the referendum. Or better still, state the facts clearly, then say there wasn't going to be a referendum and leave it to UKIP's one MP to whinge about it.

But, he couldn't resist being a total nob. It was irresistible to him. Seeing an opportunity to clothe himself in triumphant handbag banging Thatcherism, he completely ignored the fact that Thatcher had already got the UK all the concessions it could reasonably expect (that awful woman's one achievement to balance against the harm she did), and created another imaginary European bogeyman for the xenophobes to hate.

Joan_number_1_2

Arklight wrote: »

Cameron had an opportunity to state the facts about the EU clearly before the referendum. Or better still, state the facts clearly, then say there wasn't going to be a referendum and leave it to UKIP's one MP to whinge about it.

But, he couldn't resist being a total nob. It was irresistible to him. Seeing an opportunity to clothe himself in triumphant handbag banging Thatcherism, he completely ignored the fact that Thatcher had already got the UK all the concessions it could reasonably expect (that awful woman's one achievement to balance against the harm she did), and created another imaginary European bogeyman for the xenophobes to hate.

I'm not standing up for Cameron and in fact I tend to agree with your opinion of him.
But you do realise in your hysteria that he only arranged the referendum and that as then PM he was not responsible for the remain campaign's tactics, don't you?
Neither was he responsible for the leave campaign BTW.

The one good thing he did was in sticking to his word and holding the referendum after the EU sent him packing with nowt.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

No more special than any other country that wishes to decide who can enter. Why would the EU want to insist on that country granting free movement when it's no longer a member?

I think the EU is offering us the same choices of movement as any other state that's outside the EU - full free movement or no free movement. But as you might have noticed, the freedoms of movement can't be split, so if we want free movement of goods services and capital, we need to take free movement of people. The "rules based" system is another attempt at cherry picking - May is trying to split free movement of people by the back door again.


We have plenty of options open to us that don't involve movement - Turkey, Canada, Japan, S Korea, WTO.




https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-theresa-may-guy-verhofstadt-tory-conference-european-parliament-eu-a8564401.html
More of the same from the EU. Including a dig at Jeremy Hunt for comparing the EU to USSR.

Joan_number_1_2

Herzlos wrote: »

Tory business minister also thinks no deal brexit wouldn't be great for UK
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/no-deal-brexit-uk-economy-conservative-conference-business-minister-claire-perry-a8564611.html

A remainer thinks Brexit won't be good?
There's a surprise!
:rotfl:

Arklight

Joan_number_1 wrote: »

I'm not standing up for Cameron and in fact I tend to agree with your opinion of him.
But you do realise in your hysteria that he only arranged the referendum and that as then PM he was not responsible for the remain campaign's tactics, don't you?
Neither was he responsible for the leave campaign BTW.

The one good thing he did was in sticking to his word and holding the referendum after the EU sent him packing with nowt.

What a thoroughly bizarre statement.

The government was officially pro-Remain and used the civil service and public funds to promote a Remain result.

The "Britain Stronger in Europe" campaign was run via donations, £300k of which came from the Tories, and was in lockstep with government policy on Europe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36267668

The referendum was an exercise in giving a lot of people who shouldn't have been asked, a question on something about which they knew very little, in the hope it would resolve factional infighting in the Tory party.

Asking the public to decide complicated foreign policy via a plebiscite makes as much sense as asking them to decide policy on gene mapping.

ukcarper

Arklight wrote: »

Cameron had an opportunity to state the facts about the EU clearly before the referendum. Or better still, state the facts clearly, then say there wasn't going to be a referendum and leave it to UKIP's one MP to whinge about it.

But, he couldn't resist being a total nob. It was irresistible to him. Seeing an opportunity to clothe himself in triumphant handbag banging Thatcherism, he completely ignored the fact that Thatcher had already got the UK all the concessions it could reasonably expect (that awful woman's one achievement to balance against the harm she did), and created another imaginary European bogeyman for the xenophobes to hate.

And all the MPs winging and calling for a people's vote had the opportunity to vote against the referendum bill or article 50 come to that but preferred vote in favour

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

And all the MPs winging and calling for a people's vote had the opportunity to vote against the referendum bill or article 50 come to that but preferred vote in favour

Brexit looks a lot different to what it did when that vote was carried out, both in terms of the publics opinion (it's now further against) as well as the damage (it's going to be worse than predicted). When the facts change, peoples views change.

I'm personally glad that we have MP's who can change their mind when the situation warrants it, however un-British that is.