Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

I respect the result of the referendum, it was something that was pretty much an equal split of those who wanted to stay in the EU as those who wanted to leave.

It's the leavers who don't respect the result. They aren't willing to compromise to the other half of the country. A so called brexit in name only is the only way to respectfully deliver the results

I don't agree I voted remain and accept that we have to end FOM and not be subject jurisdiction of EU court leaving in name only does not respect result. I really feel that the MPs that are now complaining let's us down by voting for referendum if they feel as strongly as they apparently do they should have shown some backbone and stopped brexit then

phillw

ukcarper wrote: »

I don't agree I voted remain and accept that we have to end FOM and not be subject jurisdiction of EU court leaving in name only does not respect result. I really feel that the MPs that are now complaining let's us down by voting for referendum if they feel as strongly as they apparently do they should have shown some backbone and stopped brexit then

Ending FOM and ECJ doesn't respect the people who voted to keep it, so there should be some compromise. It wasn't a land slide win, so respecting the result doesn't mean hard brexit. Until the leavers start respecting the result was barely in their favour, then don't expect anything to change with broken brexit britain. The people who win are the ones who have to make concessions.

The MP's let us down because they are incompetent and self serving. More fool us for electing them. The EU has protected us from them since we joined. I wonder how we'll fix that without the benefit of the ECJ. I can't see it happening, welcome to the turbo nasty party. The UK government have been actively trying to dismantle the Working Time Directive since it was introduced. It was the only thing ever mentioned by Brexit supporting businesses on TV as an example of red tape they wanted to get rid of.

With both sides hating the idea of the current proposal, I'm not sure why there isn't more support for the People's vote. Instead I here the same incorrect and pointless statement that we've already had a referendum by the People. But the People's vote offers the People the chance to vote on the deal, which only the government will get to do.

With most MP's supporting remain, then how can you trust they'll make the choice that you agree with eh?

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

Ending FOM and ECJ doesn't respect the people who voted to keep it, so there should be some compromise. It wasn't a land slide win, so respecting the result doesn't mean hard brexit. Until the leavers start respecting the result was barely in their favour, then don't expect anything to change. The people who win are the ones who have to make concessions.

The MP's let us down because they are incompetent and self serving. More fool us for electing them. The EU has protected us from them since we joined. I wonder how we'll fix that without the benefit of the ECJ. I can't see it happening, welcome to the turbo nasty party. The UK government have been actively trying to dismantle the Working Time Directive since it was introduced. It was the only thing ever mentioned by Brexit supporting businesses on TV as an example of red tape they wanted to get rid of.

Ignoring what the 52% want because 48% voted against it is not a compromise.

phillw

ukcarper wrote: »

Ignoring what the 52% want because 48% voted against it is not a compromise.

The 51.5% wanted to leave the EU, moving to the EEA satisfies that. It's impossible to know what they actually wanted, because of the misinformation about what kind of relationship we were likely to get during the referendum. Unfortunately the only way to resolve that would be to hold another referendum and this time make it illegal to lie.

The 48.5% would be unhappy about leaving the EU, but being in the EEA would be a compromise.

Moby

mrginge wrote: »

What do you mean ‘your lot’?

I can flip flop between all sorts matey.

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Most accurate thing you've ever said.

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

The 51.5% wanted to leave the EU, moving to the EEA satisfies that. It's impossible to know what they actually wanted, because of the misinformation about what kind of relationship we were likely to get during the referendum.

No it's you and a few harden remainers that think that, the majority wanted an end to FOM and or to stop us being under jurisdiction of EU court so being subject to both of those will not satisfy any.

How did you feel when Referendum was called and almost all MPs supported it, I was shocked and had a strong feeling leave would win.

Daniel54

ukcarper wrote: »

Ignoring what the 52% want because 48% voted against it is not a compromise.

You appear to misunderstand how our democracy works.

Once an MP is elected,they represent all their constituents,not just those who voted for them

It is incumbent upon Parliament to recognise the 16m plus votes in the referendum

That they have chosen not to do so is the reason I am out streets in protest,My vote has been disenfranchised as a result of Government interpretation of the result.

Moby

wunferall wrote: »

Old news - we knew this before the referendum.
BTW, do try to contain your foul-mouthed despair.
Nothing has happened yet.

Put March 29th 2019 in your calendar because if WTO happens and if such tariffs take effect (note: that is 2 "if's" there alone) then would be the time to express despair.
Preferably without the use of your expletives.

Here's a couple of expletives for you. These are real ones though..... Not manufactured by you. Say hello to the characters deciding our future::(
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/02/brexit-eu-hits-out-irresponsible-uk-northern-ireland

phillw

ukcarper wrote: »

No it's you and a few harden remainers that think that, the majority wanted an end to FOM and or to stop us being under jurisdiction of EU court so being subject to both of those will not satisfy any.

Well sure there are the racists who can't cope with the idea of a foreigner having any say over what they do. But I don't think that is the majority, at least I hope not. The people I know that voted brexit thought we'd have exactly the same benefits, but an extra £350 million a week would go to the NHS.

The ending of FOM is even more vague. Most people just wanted to do it because Farage said that Turkey were preparing to invade when they joined soon or to stop the non existent people coming here to claim benefits.

I'm sure a lot of people are going to regret that decision when the government tells them they can't get any benefits as there are job vacancies in the care industry changing OAPs nappies. The law of unintended consequences is going to bite hard on the poorest of leave voters. I'm finding it hard to care about them, as they don't care about others. I don't think I'm anywhere near alone in deciding that if they don't want to contribute to the poor in other countries, then I don't want to contribute to them.

ukcarper wrote: »

How did you feel when Referendum was called and almost all MPs supported it, I was shocked and had a strong feeling leave would win.

It was a dumb idea. The more leave.eu lied, the dumber the idea became. I can only imagine that the leave supporting MPs that voted in favour, didn't realise just how much lying was going to happen.

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

Well sure there are the racists who can't cope with the idea of a foreigner having any say over what they do. But I don't think that is the majority, at least I hope not. The people I know that voted brexit thought we'd have exactly the same benefits, but an extra £350 million a week would go to the NHS.



It was a dumb idea. The more leave.eu lied, the dumber the idea became. I can only imagine that the leave supporting MPs that voted in favour, didn't realise just how much lying was going to happen.

So now you resorts to those old lines if you want to convince leave voters to remain calling them thick racists is not the way to do it.

Those MPs voted remain for one of two reasons they were so out of touch or they didn't have backbone to stand up for what they believe.