Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

buglawton

A shocking snub? Not shocking really. The EU leadership is behaving like a nation state ruler. Arguably they should because the UK isn't negotiating with the EU governments directly. Traditionally nation states have a diplomatic corps who correspond with the diplomats of other countries. If a deal is in the offing these diplomats set out to their leaders the art of the possible in advance of any potentially embarrassing summit meeting, to prevent the impossible being asked and refused.

Well, just like the EU does not have a genuine central bank with real powers, it also doesn't have a diplomatic corps. The usual channels of diplomacy don't exist. Hence the 'shock'. The EU is actually a very immature organisation, a babys brain atop a business suit. Get ready for more incidents like this.

wunferall

Filo25 wrote: »

Well that would be relevant if I said the EU had been perfect gentlemen throughout the process, but I haven't because they haven't but neither has the UK so once again why the horror?

Most of the people who got upset about this week's events were cheering on whatever nonsense about the EU Boris Johnson came out with while he was foreign secretary, so forgive me if I find the outrage hard to take seriously.

Why your imaginary "horror" and "outrage" where none exists?
The only ones expressing such emotion are our media which makes an apparent fallacy of your earlier statement:

Filo25 wrote: »

Because I'm not lead by tabloid headlines.

Oh and BTW I did not state that you "said the EU had been perfect gentlemen throughout the process".
I politely suggest you read the post concerned again and correct your misinformation.

wunferall

Here's a little snippet that seems to have been ignored so far from this week, probably because the remainers in this forum, refuse to accept any other forecasts other than those of impending gloom and doom.
"UK consumers remain most upbeat since 2015 - IHS Markit"

British households’ confidence about their financial situation held at its highest since 2015 this month, as their concern about inflation eased and they were relaxed about prospects for the year to come

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-households/uk-consumers-remain-most-upbeat-since-2015-ihs-markit-idUKKCN1LX00G

BobQ

At the start of this process the EU said UK cannot have its cake and eat it. They said they would not compromise on the 4 freedoms. Yes they have not changed that stance, but the UK continues to park the cherry pickers on the EU lawn.

May claims Tusk has not explained why the Chequers proposals, villified by most wing nuts and remainers alike, are unacceptable. Surely this is obvious. You either have a free market for goods,services, labour and capital or you do not.

May is floundering trying to keep her wingnuts on side as the EU sticks to its guns like they always promised.

May is now out of her depth. We either trot off and take the undoubted consequences that 52% voted for or find a way of staying close to the EU like joining the EEA.

May has a difficult problem. but she is now beginning to sound weak and directionless.

We either need another referendum or a general election to set the direction. But we will probably get neither, just more floundering to appease the wingnuts, all the time knowing that there is no parliamentary consensus for any strategy.

mrginge

BobQ wrote: »

We either need another referendum or a general election to set the direction. But we will probably get neither, just more floundering to appease the wingnuts, all the time knowing that there is no parliamentary consensus for any strategy.

We definitely don’t need another referendum.
A GE could provide for some excellent entertainment, but given that TM wouldn’t be the Tory option I think we should probably let them sort their own house out first.
Boris vs jezza would be a hell of a choice for most normal people.

cogito

BobQ wrote: »

At the start of this process the EU said UK cannot have its cake and eat it. They said they would not compromise on the 4 freedoms. Yes they have not changed that stance, but the UK continues to park the cherry pickers on the EU lawn.

May claims Tusk has not explained why the Chequers proposals, villified by most wing nuts and remainers alike, are unacceptable. Surely this is obvious. You either have a free market for goods,services, labour and capital or you do not.

There has never been a free market in services. The French and Germans have ensured that in their own interests at the expense of the UK.

Not that they were cherry picking or anything like that........

BobQ

cogito wrote: »

There has never been a free market in services. The French and Germans have ensured that in their own interests at the expense of the UK.

Not that they were cherry picking or anything like that........

That is a narrow and perjorative view of the issue. The fact is that under the May proposals selling services to the EU or using EU services will be more difficult and not a free market

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

At the start of this process the EU said UK cannot have its cake and eat it. They said they would not compromise on the 4 freedoms. Yes they have not changed that stance, but the UK continues to park the cherry pickers on the EU lawn.

Maybe so. However the EU is in essence demanding money from the UK. The EU has to offer something in exchange.

As for the Irish border issue. The UK exiting with no deal leaves the EU no further forward. The border being totally porous.

Aberdeenangarse

It looks like as neither the Tories or Labour will agree to any compromise that the EU Members will accept, we’ll just end up sleepwalking into a no deal Brexit. Interesting times!

Herzlos

Maybe we need to drop the stuff that'll never be accepted and choose one of the menu options we were given st the start. We already know, more or less, what the EU will accept because they've been telling us for years.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Maybe so. However the EU is in essence demanding money from the UK. The EU has to offer something in exchange.

The money is in settlement for all of the UKs outstanding liabilities. The EU doesn't need to offer anything beyond accepting it as settlement.