Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

It is nevertheless a fact however you may try to dress it up. Why do you remainers always bow down at the EU altar and excuse everything that they do?

It's bad enough when the EU apply protectionist policies against African farmers but worse when they apply them to their own members.

You shouldn't confuse impartiality with EU worship. You try really hard to always frame the EU in the negative, and thus seem outraged at everything they do.

Some look at it at face value and determine that in most instances, the EU is doing exactly what it said it would and exactly what we'd do if we were in it's position.

We asked to be an outsider; so we're being treated just like any other outsider. No special treatment, no need to care about our wellbeing and no reason to harm the EU to keep us happy.

If you ever wonder if what the EU is doing is fair with regard to the UK, just replace UK with any random non-member, like Morocco or Argentina.

I'm not a firm remainer but I'm a pragmatist. I see the benefits of being in the EU on a regular basis, but I'd happily support leaving if there was a satisfactory plan. At this advanced stage, despite the 6 or 7 digits in printing copying and administration, we don't even have a back of envelope plan yet. We can't make any progress because we've no idea what we want to achieve.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

I haven't seen anything to indicate that beyond Davis' "nothing is agreed until it's agreed" own goal posturing.

Have you got a link?

I found them easily perhaps you should try yourself instead of believing every thing the EU supporters tell you. Remember I voted remain wish we weren't we are where we are but I can see that th8ngs are nowhere as clear as you make out. Also take note I didn't say we didn't have commitments just that figure is open to debate.

Enterprise_1701C

We have long been treated as an outsider anyway, even whilst within the eu.

Look at Spain's dispute about Gibraltar, we are rightfully in Gibraltar which meant that Gibraltar was within the eu too, and yet Spain have often created disruption on the border. The eu claim that dispute is nothing to do with them, yet they wish to poke their nose in on the NI border. Tell you what, if they want an NI border they can impose it, they can implement it, and they can deal with any problems it creates. They will say no to any suggestion we make, in the full knowledge that we have been dealing with the NI question for many years and actually know what is required, because they want to use it to force us to remain, simple as.

Look at the Falklands, the eu were supposedly on our side, which includes France, and yet the embargo was broken by France who had a company there helping Argentina maintain the Exocet missile launchers. This resulted directly in the loss of British life. AND this company was 51% owned by the French government.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17256975

https://iakal.wordpress.com/2015/10/11/the-role-of-france-during-the-falklands-war/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9767736/Thatchers-blistering-attack-on-French-over-Exocets-during-Falklands.html

It has always been a case of the eu are on our side when it is convenient to them, but quietly helping people that want to destroy us. France had to be seen to support us because of their overseas holdings, but they were directly contributing to the loss of British life.

Moby

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

We have long been treated as an outsider anyway, even whilst within the eu.

Look at Spain's dispute about Gibraltar, we are rightfully in Gibraltar which meant that Gibraltar was within the eu too, and yet Spain have often created disruption on the border. The eu claim that dispute is nothing to do with them, yet they wish to poke their nose in on the NI border. Tell you what, if they want an NI border they can impose it, they can implement it, and they can deal with any problems it creates. They will say no to any suggestion we make, in the full knowledge that we have been dealing with the NI question for many years and actually know what is required, because they want to use it to force us to remain, simple as.

Look at the Falklands, the eu were supposedly on our side, which includes France, and yet the embargo was broken by France who had a company there helping Argentina maintain the Exocet missile launchers. This resulted directly in the loss of British life. AND this company was 51% owned by the French government.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17256975

https://iakal.wordpress.com/2015/10/11/the-role-of-france-during-the-falklands-war/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9767736/Thatchers-blistering-attack-on-French-over-Exocets-during-Falklands.html

It has always been a case of the eu are on our side when it is convenient to them, but quietly helping people that want to destroy us. France had to be seen to support us because of their overseas holdings, but they were directly contributing to the loss of British life.

'Quietly helping people that want to destroy us'

Just because you feel an outsider ....don't smear us all with your paranoia and xenephobia. I love being in Europe and I love being in my own country. It's all about how you see the world imo.

Enterprise_1701C

It is not paranoia when it is the truth.

Joan_number_1_2

Moby wrote: »

Just because you feel an outsider ....don't smear us all with your paranoia and xenephobia. I love being in Europe and I love being in my own country. It's all about how you see the world imo.

That would be where we differ.

I'm English and I'm British and for me that comes before being European. Well before.
If it wasn't for the EU trying to make us all into in effect subservient clones, more of us might like you love being European too BUT the EU are putting the mockers on that.
Not just here but in Italy, Holland, Germany, Poland, Sweden and other countries too.

We know you like the word but that has nothing to do with xenophobia you know.
It is called patriotism and that is something the EU have been trying to eradicate from member countries throughout the EU with their indoctrination.
Quite successfully judging by the comments of some in here.

BobQ

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

We have long been treated as an outsider anyway, even whilst within the eu.

Look at Spain's dispute about Gibraltar, we are rightfully in Gibraltar …………………………. yet they wish to poke their nose in on the NI border.

……….Look at the Falklands, the eu were supposedly on our side, which includes France,
.

Spain's dispute stems from the invasion of its territory by the British and Dutch 300 years ago. People like you decry illegal occupations like the invasion of Iraq but are prepared to defend the imperialism of 1704.

How are they poking their nose into NI, they are just part of an EU27 that is trying to negotiate an economic solution to a soon to be EU/UK border.

As to the Falklands in 1982, the EU did not exist. There was an economic alliance but that was the EEC with the emphasis on trade not political unity.

As to being treated as an outsider surely we are the ones who have never embraced the EU concept and always sort to have special/exceptional deals?

buglawton

So the EU was formed in 1993 and the UK's population never got to vote on joining?

buglawton

ukcarper wrote: »

Listening to Corbyn on news he seems to want be in customs union, have full access to free market but no freedom of movement how will that go down.

He must have agreed 100% whith the Chequers proposal then. Closer to May than to Boris.

buglawton

cogito wrote: »

There has never been a free market in services. The French and Germans have ensured that in their own interests at the expense of the UK.

Not that they were cherry picking or anything like that........

Though the UK is often touted as a service based economy, we provide most of these services to ourselves. Exports of financial services is a minor part. It would need reformulating if we go WTO. Though parts of the EU greatly benefit by being able to access them.

If the financial services tail wags the UK dog and we end up with BINO we'll know that the City lobby has won.