Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Thrugelmir

Aberdeenangarse wrote: »

It looks like as neither the Tories or Labour will agree to any compromise that the EU Members will accept, we’ll just end up sleepwalking into a no deal Brexit. Interesting times!

Aren't negotiations meant to end in compromise?

In business the parties simply agree to disagree and walk away. Why should Brexit be any different. After all there's no contractual provisions to be met.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

Maybe we need to drop the stuff that'll never be accepted and choose one of the menu options we were given st the start. We already know, more or less, what the EU will accept because they've been telling us for years.


The money is in settlement for all of the UKs outstanding liabilities. The EU doesn't need to offer anything beyond accepting it as settlement.

But as I understanding the amount is up for debate.

ukcarper

Listening to Corbyn on news he seems to want be in customs union, have full access to free market but no freedom of movement how will that go down.

Thrugelmir

ukcarper wrote: »

Listening to Corbyn on news he seems to want be in customs union, have full access to free market but no freedom of movement how will that go down.

Non starter. FOM hasn't been agreed satisfactorily either. That's the issue which will sink a second referendum. Trade and Ireland's borders don't impact people's daily lives. Large scale immigration does. Labour is London and big City centric. Appeal outside is luke warm.

Corbyn's been here on several occassions as deemed to be a bell weather for the UK. Barely caused a ripple. As he's nothing to sell.

ukcarper

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Non starter. FOM hasn't been agreed satisfactorily either. That's the issue which will sink a second referendum. Trade and Ireland's borders don't impact people's daily lives. Large scale immigration does.

Can't see why Corbyn thinks he would get it, but then he he doesn't add no FOM he will lose 30% of his vote.

Thrugelmir

ukcarper wrote: »

Can't see why Corbyn thinks he would get it, but then he he doesn't add no FOM he will lose 30% of his vote.

Corbyn is a puppet. His masters determine Labour's policy not him. Though current exit policy suggestions in summary are more unworkable than May's. Conference this week. Might be Corbyn's first U turn. Which would destroy his credibility. That's if he actually has any. Given recent news coverage.

Filo25

Aberdeenangarse wrote: »

It looks like as neither the Tories or Labour will agree to any compromise that the EU Members will accept, we’ll just end up sleepwalking into a no deal Brexit. Interesting times!

My suspicion is that Labour will end up with the second referendum as their "backstop" if we end up with a deal they deem unsatisfactory (and their conditions are pretty much guaranteed not to be met at present).

We will find out this week anyway, as the conference is likely to determine how things proceed.

cogito

BobQ wrote: »

That is a narrow and perjorative view of the issue. The fact is that under the May proposals selling services to the EU or using EU services will be more difficult and not a free market

It is nevertheless a fact however you may try to dress it up. Why do you remainers always bow down at the EU altar and excuse everything that they do?

It's bad enough when the EU apply protectionist policies against African farmers but worse when they apply them to their own members.

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Aren't negotiations meant to end in compromise?

In business the parties simply agree to disagree and walk away. Why should Brexit be any different. After all there's no contractual provisions to be met.

It all depends on who has the most to lose. Negotiation doesn't require compromise or meeting in the middle if both sides are too far apart.

Say I'm buying parts from a company but we both know another company also makes the parts - I'll get a good deal. If it's bespoke parts that only that supplier makes, they have less reason to drop the price.

We're essentially asking for the item for free and being told very politely that it's just not going to happen. Yet we keep asking.

The EU may bend a little but it's bottom line is intractible; no cherry picking.

Both sides need to actually be prepared to walk away. Will they? Who will crack first?

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

But as I understanding the amount is up for debate.

I haven't seen anything to indicate that beyond Davis' "nothing is agreed until it's agreed" own goal posturing.

Have you got a link?