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wongataa

50Twuncle wrote: »

I suppose that you love cortana and edge as well ?
If you accept that MS are spying on your every move on-line (keylogger ?) and will soon be extending this with new T&C that they expect everyone to agree to... RETROSPECTIVELY !!
This means that everyone will be scrutinized every time that anything is input in a browser !!
They are clearly in breach of European GDPR
Even facebook's debarke hasn't put them off |!

You don't have to use Edge or Cortana if you don't want to. I don't. It doesn't cause any problems doing this.

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50Twuncle wrote: »

I suppose that you love cortana and edge as well ?

Easy enough to disable Cortana and where in the T&C's does it state you have to use Edge? That said Edge is pretty good nowadays.

If you accept that MS are spying on your every move on-line (keylogger ?)

Paranoid nonsense and once again anything you don't like you can disable.

This means that everyone will be scrutinized every time that anything is input in a browser !!

Use a different browser then.

Uxb

Colin_Maybe wrote: »

Paranoid nonsense and once again anything you don't like you can disable.

Do you REALLY think that the user disabling the user-available feedback telemetry whatever actually really does disable everything?
Oh so naive!
When I wrote in-house software 'way back when' I always put in back doors into the programs and had undeclared telemetry type recording of what the various users were doing running all the time.

Here is another revelation for you.
I was part of an experiment with a Credit Card provider to link my mobile's location to my CC card. So the CC company knew where I was by taking a direct feed from the mobile Co's location data based on cell stations my phone was in contact with.
Very useful when you moved countries rapidly on business so that the CC Co knew that a purchase in town A of Country B was likely to be legit as your mobile was also in that area.
There you go: undeclared live telemetry between the CC company and my Mobile Co to determine my location in the world at any time!

50Twuncle

wongataa wrote: »

You don't have to use Edge or Cortana if you don't want to. I don't. It doesn't cause any problems doing this.

Even "disabled" - cortana uses 35Mb of RAM - Why ?
What's it doing in the background - feeding back what to whom ?
And as for edge - yet another security flaw has been found (by Google this time) that MS were unaware of (https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/19/17027138/google-microsoft-edge-security-flaw-disclosure)
How many more are there to be discovered ?
And why do MS keep on re-enabling cortana when I have disabled it using various utilities such as "winprivacy" yet the anniversary update has re-enabled it again

RumRat

Why do you use MS products?

50Twuncle

RumRat wrote: »

Why do you use MS products?

Because everything is unfortunately orientated around MS
Where I have alternatives - such as Open office - I use that
But the main OS - Since my employer uses Windows, and my friends and family use Windows - I use Windows as well
I have tried to get on with Linux (5 ir 6 years ago) but didn't like it
But when I PAY for Windows - I expect privacy and choice of what gets installed
I forgot - there's Skype for Business as well - that one really annoys me - try to remove that from Office 2016 pro plus and you win first prize in Twuncles weekly prize giving !!

RumRat

Try this.... http://www.advanceduninstaller.com/Skype-for-Business-2016-772d164ff509e5caa8fd2203e34a34a9-application.htm

Not recommending as I haven't used it, but others seem to rate it.

50Twuncle

RumRat wrote: »

Try this.... http://www.advanceduninstaller.com/Skype-for-Business-2016-772d164ff509e5caa8fd2203e34a34a9-application.htm

Not recommending as I haven't used it, but others seem to rate it.

Thanks for the suggestion - but Skype for business (aka Lync) is too tightly bound to Office to split it
I tried Advanceduninstaller- but that only lets me uninstall the whole Office package which I don't want to do.
it is not listed as a separate program

joeypesci

onomatopoeia99 wrote: »

You're an IT expert with 25 years experience of "proper IT", so you should know how to sort this.

Install Server 2012R2, set up an AD domain, configure WSUS and configure your desktop PC to be part of the AD domain and get its updates through WSUS. WSUS will give you complete control of what updates your AD clients receive so you can block them all and enjoy life in a haze of vulnerabilities.

Or live with the default interface in Windows 10, which is absolutely fine.

Good idea. Think I might set this up

wongataa

50Twuncle wrote: »

Even "disabled" - cortana uses 35Mb of RAM - Why ?

Who cares. I have 16GB of RAM installed on my desktop. 35MB is hardly anything.

50Twuncle wrote: »

And as for edge - yet another security flaw has been found (by Google this time) that MS were unaware of (https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/19/17027138/google-microsoft-edge-security-flaw-disclosure)
How many more are there to be discovered ?

So don't use Edge. You don't have to. You are free to use any web browser that runs on Windows. Good luck finding any software without any security flaws though. They all have them. What you want is your software writers to fix any flaws promptly and you want people to try and find them so they are fixed before they are exploited by criminals.

50Twuncle wrote: »

And why do MS keep on re-enabling cortana when I have disabled it using various utilities such as "winprivacy" yet the anniversary update has re-enabled it again

Midly annoying but at least it is trivial to turn off again if you want to. If you use Win10 Pro you have more control over various aspects of the OS and can even disable Cortana officially with the |Group Policy Editor. If you are son concerned about Windows 10 why aren't you using the version that you more control over?

Actually, if you have such large issues with Windows 10 why are you using it at all? You don't have to.