Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Thrugelmir

Filo25 wrote: »

As Important as Brexit is I believe the Tories should be a lot more concerned with finding a leader to take them into the next election who can vaguely unite the party, have broader popular appeal, and a new popular policy agenda, and if they think that is Jacob Rees Mogg I suspect they may be in for something of a disappointment.

Corbyn is hardly broadening the appeal for an alternative. A mixture of crowd pleasing throwaway anti Governments lines and the resurrection of failed policies from the past. Lacks any creative vision for a post Brexit UK.

Meanwhile the austerity drive continues to succed. Hate to see this good work blown away by another incompetent Labour administration.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

Sorry but it's not my fault if you have trouble reading.

#I'll take that to mean it's not in the manifesto, and that you haven't read it (I don't blame you )

cogito wrote: »

All those that voted leave. Why?

Apart from those that believed the claims that "Brexit doesn't mean leaving the customs union"

Moby

Tromking wrote: »

That's the metropolitan Labour argument you make there Moby.
FWIW, that's my vote lost from Labour next time around.
Although I live a rural constituency where any chinless Tory wins, Labour came an unbelievable 2nd in the polls in the last GE, albeit a very distant runner up.
This IMO amounts to a Labour Brexit betrayal and a re-embracing of the Blairite majority in the PLP.
I thought Corbyn was playing a clever game with his Brexit strategy, who knows now though?
What price another General Election in the spring?

I may be metropolitan Labour now but I come from N Wales and I know that the opportunity for future trade deals played very little part in the decision of Labour brexiteers! Their vote was about imnmigration. It is also completely unrealistic to expect the EU to accept a deal without tariffs if we are outside the customs union. Everyone who knows about these things are saying the same thing. May's claim that she can get a frictionless trade deal and be outside the customs union is a lie. The Irish border is only the start of the problem. The EU negotiators are consistent, the cake and eat it option is not an option!
Anyway are you sure May can get the no customs deal through the commons. There are lots of remainer MP's in the tory party.

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

#I'll take that to mean it's not in the manifesto, and that you haven't read it (I don't blame you )



Apart from those that believed the claims that "Brexit doesn't mean leaving the customs union"

The terminally stupid?

cogito

Moby wrote: »

The EU negotiators are consistent, the cake and eat it option is not an option.

It cuts both ways. In one breath, Verhofstadt is saying that we can't cherry pick and in the next he wants the UK to keep paying for the EU's security. He then wants to cherry pick a trade deal in which we pay them vast sums of money so we can buy their stuff but isn't willing to discuss access for our services.

But you and your other chums on here have selective myopia when it comes to Brussels.

Theophile

cogito wrote: »

The terminally stupid?

That's no way to talk about Leave voters.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

It cuts both ways. In one breath, Verhofstadt is saying that we can't cherry pick and in the next he wants the UK to keep paying for the EU's security. He then wants to cherry pick a trade deal in which we pay them vast sums of money so we can buy their stuff but isn't willing to discuss access for our services.

But you and your other chums on here have selective myopia when it comes to Brussels.

Neither of those are cherry picking.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

The terminally stupid?

That's a bit harsh on those that believed the Leave campaigners.

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

Neither of those are cherry picking.

Go on, then. Tell us why you believe that.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

cogito wrote: »

Go on, then. Tell us why you believe that.

It was made abundantly clear in advance.

There will be no cherry picking, no EU a la carte.

We can either have a Canada style trade deal for goods only (no services), or a Norway/Switzerland style membership of the EEA/EFTA which gives access to the single market on preferential terms, or we can crash out onto WTO terms for the worst deal of all.