Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

vivatifosi

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm not sure. I think we need some of these consequences spelled out for us to pressure May into actually making a decision and trying to make progress.

Whilst none of this will happen with a deal, who knows what'll happen with no deal

Whenever I read something about the EU I do try to read back to the original source material. The issue for me is that this is not just about no deal, which is an unthinkably stupid idea. There is also an element of Schadenfreude on the part of those announcing such things which is really not helpful.

vivatifosi

Moby wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-eu-customs-union-commons-vote-uk-mps-tory-party-brexiteer-a8223771.html
What we need now is for Jezza to back a Customs Union....that'll put the cat amongst the pigeons.;)

Have heard on the news this morning that he will make a speech to that effect on Monday.

gfplux

LHW99 wrote: »

I don't quite follow how the Falklands would be affected in any way by Brexit - their issue is with Argentina wishing them to quietly agree to become a part of South America.
Gibraltar I can understand their worries, although I'm not sure they have had much help from us being in the EU, Spain had still caused them problems from time to time despite the number of Spanish citizens who work there and the EU just looks away, as with Spain / Catalonia.

As far as "Primacy of UK parliament"= "taking back control", it does, although "taking back control" covers three aspects IMO - Parliamentary supremacy, Border / immigration controls based on UK priorities (ie not on FoM) and control of where and in what areas we offer free trade agreements.
You could realistically argue taking back fishing rights is "taking back control"

Just dashing out. Will give it some thought. Thanks.

cogito

vivatifosi wrote: »

Hopefully we will find out soon. It is ridiculous that the government is being held hostage by the hard Brexit 60 and the DUP.

Equally the EU should stop using such punitive tactics. It's like watching a bunch of five year olds... on both sides.

What you call the hard Brexit 60 are not holding anyone hostage. They are simply trying to ensure that the government carries out its manifesto commitments and that they are not frustrated by hardcore remainers in the cabinet and civil service.

ukcarper

Moby wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-eu-customs-union-commons-vote-uk-mps-tory-party-brexiteer-a8223771.html
What we need now is for Jezza to back a Customs Union....that'll put the cat amongst the pigeons.;)

That will put cat among pigeons but with 35% of Labour Voters voting leave joining a custom union would be detrimental to Labour vote.

Herzlos

Which manifesto commitment? A plan? Clarity? Strong & Stable? Best deal for the people?

The next five years are the most challenging that Britain has faced in my lifetime.
Brexit will define us: our place in the world, our economic security and our future prosperity.
So now more than ever, Britain needs a strong and stable government to get the best Brexit deal for our country and its people.
Now more than ever, Britain needs strong and stable leadership to make the most of the opportunities Brexit brings for hardworking families.
Now more than ever, Britain needs a clear plan.
This manifesto, Forward, Together: Our Plan for a Stronger Britain and a Prosperous Future will meet the great challenges of our time, beyond Brexit.
With this plan and with a strong hand through Brexit, we will build a stronger, fairer, more prosperous Britain, for all of us.

Enterprise_1701C

vivatifosi wrote: »

Have heard on the news this morning that he will make a speech to that effect on Monday.

So in the last few days he has flip flopped. Another example of momentum holding him hostage?

There is no way on this earth he should ever be allowed to run the country, can you imagine the UK with the unions in charge (don't even pretend it would be anything else), it would be bankrupted within the first week, and all of a sudden there would be strikes everywhere just for the sake of striking.

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

Which manifesto commitment? A plan? Clarity? Strong & Stable? Best deal for the people?

It's in the manifesto if you care to read it. The same commitments that every party other than the LibDems and Greens made.

Rinoa

Cabinet Brexiters are happy following today’s Chequers summit, with one senior Brexiter telling Guido: “Divergence has won”. A Cabinet source says there was an agreement on mutual recognition on good standards. There will be a declaration that the UK is going to maintain standards. The room agreed there will be equal dispute settlement arrangements and, crucially, the right to diverge in that framework. A second Cabinet source says: “Brexiteers have won a crucial argument tonight. It was agreed that we would take back control of our laws. Divergence won the day.” We shall see, but this sounds like good news and Cabinet Brexiters are pleased with the outcome tonight…

https://order-order.com/2018/02/22/cabinet-brexiters-happy-chequers-agreement-divergence/

Theophile

One of those at tonight's meeting says the PM 'played a blinder' and has persuaded Brexiteers to change their mind, giving her opening pitch to Brussels pending Cabinet approval on Tuesday
— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) February 22, 2018