Yellow Box Junction - PCN Advice sought

surreysaver

kmb500 wrote: »

So you can recite every line of the highway code? Nerd.

Well, if you can't, you shouldn't be driving. You do know we drive on the left, don't you?

Aylesbury_Duck

surreysaver wrote: »

Well, if you can't, you shouldn't be driving. You do know we drive on the left, don't you?

There's a left? In the country lanes around my way, there's only enough room for one car. Why do I need to know about driving on the left?

rosturra

Browntoa wrote: »

I know the junction , I used to live nearby .

Take it from me that the location is correct

OP here.

I am getting rather tired of people telling me my information is wrong. :mad:

Give me some credit. I have researched the junction. As I have repeatedly stated Parkview Drive is NOT on the junction, it is 100m away. After Ving Hao restaurant.

I'm not allowed to post a link here. If interested cut and paste these co-ordinates into google maps: 51.4620737,0.1130444 using satellite view to see box junction.

If you don't trust google; look up the address of the restaurant: it is 1-3 Welling High Street.


Rant over.


I'm only interested if anyone has any advice if a wrong (or poorly described) location is sufficient grounds for an appeal.


Thanks

neilmcl

rosturra wrote: »

OP here.

I am getting rather tired of people telling me my information is wrong. :mad:

Give me some credit. I have researched the junction. As I have repeatedly stated Parkview Drive is NOT on the junction, it is 100m away. After Ving Hao restaurant.

I'm not allowed to post a link here. If interested cut and paste these co-ordinates into google maps: 51.4620737,0.1130444 using satellite view to see box junction.

If you don't trust google; look up the address of the restaurant: it is 1-3 Welling High Street.


Rant over.


I'm only interested if anyone has any advice if a wrong (or poorly described) location is sufficient grounds for an appeal.


Thanks

In our opinions the location is reasonable, I'm sorry if that is something you don't want to hear. You've been given the correct advice as to go on to Pepipoo to have them look at your PCN. As mentioned, all you'll get on here are opinions.

Aylesbury_Duck

rosturra wrote: »

OP here.

I am getting rather tired of people telling me my information is wrong. :mad:

Give me some credit. I have researched the junction. As I have repeatedly stated Parkview Drive is NOT on the junction, it is 100m away. After Ving Hao restaurant.

I'm not allowed to post a link here. If interested cut and paste these co-ordinates into google maps: 51.4620737,0.1130444 using satellite view to see box junction.

If you don't trust google; look up the address of the restaurant: it is 1-3 Welling High Street.


Rant over.


I'm only interested if anyone has any advice if a wrong (or poorly described) location is sufficient grounds for an appeal.


Thanks

And you've been advised five times in this thread to get more specialist (free) advice on another forum. Otherwise, you've had the advice you sought from here and the consensus seems to be that you don't really have a technical argument on the location. That may be correct, it may be incorrect, but the other site will be better placed to help there.

Your statement above should probably read:

I'm only interested if anyone [STRIKE]has any advice if a wrong (or poorly described) location is sufficient grounds for an appeal[/STRIKE] backs my view that the PCN should be voided because the location isn't precise enough.

If what you want is our reassurance that you'll get off, you can have it from me: There there, you should appeal on the grounds of an incorrect location being 100 yards out and you'll win. Happy now?

glentoran99

People who stop in box junctions should be burned at the stake, one of the biggest causes of traffic tailbacks In my area

rosturra

neilmcl wrote: »

In our opinions the location is reasonable, I'm sorry if that is something you don't want to hear. You've been given the correct advice as to go on to Pepipoo to have them look at your PCN. As mentioned, all you'll get on here are opinions.

Thanks. I'm happy for people to offer opinion that the location error is unlikely to be accepted as a sufficient cause for succesful appeal. As you have.

Fair comment. And you seem to be in the majority!

What had become rather irritating is people asserting that there was NO error in the location.

I have raised a case in Pepipoo. I may update this post with advice given!

Have a good day.

waamo

Given there is no legal requirement to state the location I think you may face an uphill struggle with that argument.

Manxman_in_exile

glentoran99 wrote: »

People who stop in box junctions should be burned at the stake, one of the biggest causes of traffic tailbacks In my area

Here it's at a couple of major roundabouts where drivers routinely ignore the yellow boxes.


But my understanding (and I think I picked that up at either Pepipoo or here?) is that yellow boxes are not enforceable at roundabouts unless they are controlled by traffic lights. Is that right?

wongataa

Manxman_in_exile wrote: »

Here it's at a couple of major roundabouts where drivers routinely ignore the yellow boxes.


But my understanding (and I think I picked that up at either Pepipoo or here?) is that yellow boxes are not enforceable at roundabouts unless they are controlled by traffic lights. Is that right?

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Box junctions. These have criss-cross yellow lines painted on the road (download ‘Road markings’). You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right. At signalled roundabouts you MUST NOT enter the box unless you can cross over it completely without stopping.
Law TSRGD regs 10(1) & 29(2)

You would only see them on roundabouts with traffic signals.