Public Sector Pay Restraint Ending?

Tromking

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Another way of looking at this 'issue' is to simply have less public services and let the private sector address the need

That way the tax payer saves money and the private sector will pay the appropriate rate - funded by those who actually need the service

Then also the service consumer would have a choice of both IF and where they obtain their service

Good luck with that 'model' as regards Healthcare. The political will to embark down that road is zero.

Mistermeaner

Yup - !!!!!!s

Backbiter

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Another way of looking at this 'issue' is to simply have less public services and let the private sector address the need

That way the tax payer saves money and the private sector will pay the appropriate rate - funded by those who actually need the service

Regarding the building of schools and hospitals in the past 20 years, that is exactly what successive governments going back to Major have done.
Would you say that PFI has given the taxpayer value for money?

Red-Squirrel_2

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Population of Europe is rapidly ageing. Demand is high. Nor does everyone wish to to leave their homeland to work.

You don't seriously think those are the reasons for the massive, sudden drop right after the referendum result, do you?

Red-Squirrel_2

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Another way of looking at this 'issue' is to simply have less public services and let the private sector address the need

That way the tax payer saves money and the private sector will pay the appropriate rate - funded by those who actually need the service

Then also the service consumer would have a choice of both IF and where they obtain their service

Problem is, there's not really any way to make much money from A&E, but we do kind of need them unless you're ok with just letting people die unnecessarily...

HornetSaver

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Population of Europe is rapidly ageing. Demand is high. Nor does everyone wish to to leave their homeland to work.

A statistic that may surprise many of all political and constitutional persuasions is that the UK's average age (40.0, source ONS 2014) is lower than the EU average (42.4, source, Eurostat, 1 January 2015).

Though I'm sure the large numbers of young immigrants moving to the UK and starting families, vs those moving in the opposite direction being statistically much more likely to be retirees, has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Thrugelmir

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

You don't seriously think those are the reasons for the massive, sudden drop right after the referendum result, do you?

No there's a whole multitude of reasons. Immigration to the UK didn't drop in 2016. So it's not down to a lack of people.

Tromking

Backbiter wrote: »

Regarding the building of schools and hospitals in the past 20 years, that is exactly what successive governments going back to Major have done.
Would you say that PFI has given the taxpayer value for money?

Don't judge him, privatisation/outsourcing is still the 'go-to argument' for some whenever public servants start dripping about their lot in life.
The last Labour party manifesto and its relative popularity is maybe a sign that the political consensus on this may be coming to an end or at least challenged.
It was always going to end this way as the 'Privateers' are duty bound to prioritise the needs of shareholders above all else and as they look to protect their margins in chastened times, delivery to the public is bound to suffer. That's when politics takes over.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

Good luck with that 'model' as regards Healthcare. The political will to embark down that road is zero.

Just as well. We really don't need a health service that causes people to sell their house when they get ill, refrain from getting treatment at all, or use back-street doctors.

Or do you think that using the private sector to fill out the gaps in the public services will result in something that's affordable to most people?

I've used private health services in the UK and the US, and both were truly eye wateringly expensive (but at least I wasn't paying).

Mistermeaner

Backbiter wrote: »

Regarding the building of schools and hospitals in the past 20 years, that is exactly what successive governments going back to Major have done.
Would you say that PFI has given the taxpayer value for money?

Silly argument - you don't understand pfi ; this was about using private capital