Public Sector Pay Restraint Ending?

Red-Squirrel_2

Conrad wrote: »

A nurse prospective client showed me his P60 yesterday, just over £50k. This includes agency hours he does in the same Hospital at the end of his normal shift.

Why would his work for a separate employer be on the same P60?

Red-Squirrel_2

BobQ wrote: »

A recent episode of the Hospital documentary was being filmed at Westminster Hospital when the terrorist incident occurred on the bridge. It started with them filming a management meeting at which it was stated the level of staff vacancies was running at 14% just before the major incident was called.

It stands to reason that with 14% of vacancies there were a lot of expensive agency staff engaged and a lot of overtime being worked. The overtime is unsustainable in the long term of course. So the question is how much of the earnings are overtime?

The nurses will get more public sympathy but the public sector is progressively being filled by contractors to address the retention problems that are faced in many areas.

In my experience most of the overtime nurses do is unpaid, certainly the hours they stay at the end of their shifts are.

Extra shifts are usually done as 'bank' at the normal rate of pay.

Hospitals only use the expensive agencies for specialised roles like ICU these days. The days of profligate agency spending are gone.

Most days, the wards can't fill their shifts even if they put the shifts out to bank and to agency and they just run on less staff, with their own nurses going without breaks, toilet visits and drinks and staying on unpaid at the end of the day to get everything done.

Red-Squirrel_2

Mistermeaner wrote: »

if the pay is so bad why on earth does anyone want to work there?

Why don;t these highly skilled professional people get a job with the salary and conditions they deserve somewhere else?

Well, a lot are, and that's kind of a problem for the country as a whole!

I know a few teachers who have gone to the Middle East to rake it in and get free accommodation too.

I can't even remember how many British trained nurses I know who are now working in Australia and New Zealand, dozens!

michaels

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

Well, a lot are, and that's kind of a problem for the country as a whole!

I know a few teachers who have gone to the Middle East to rake it in and get free accommodation too.

I can't even remember how many British trained nurses I know who are now working in Australia and New Zealand, dozens!

And of course there are lots of foreign nationals working as teachers, doctors etc in the UK, including Antipodeans. Hence why we measure net migration figures.

Red-Squirrel_2

michaels wrote: »

And of course there are lots of foreign nationals working as teachers, doctors etc in the UK, including Antipodeans. Hence why we measure net migration figures.

There's been a 96% drop in the number of nurses from the EU applying to work in the UK.

michaels

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

There's been a 96% drop in the number of nurses from the EU applying to work in the UK.

Net drop.

Lots of leavers said as soon as the result was in that assurances should have been given to EU nationals in the UK and all those arriving before alternative arrangements were put in place but the govt were not prepared and were not willing to make any commitments.

Red-Squirrel_2

michaels wrote: »

Net drop.

Lots of leavers said as soon as the result was in that assurances should have been given to EU nationals in the UK and all those arriving before alternative arrangements were put in place but the govt were not prepared and were not willing to make any commitments.

What do you mean by 'net drop'?

1304 nurses came to work here from the EU in July 2016 (probably the last cohort who made their plans before the Brexit vote and were so far into the process they carried on).

46 nurses came to work here from the EU in April 2017.

We are around 40,000 nurses short of the bare minimum we need for patient safety and decent care, probably another 10 or 20 thousand short of really good, high quality care.

michaels

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

What do you mean by 'net drop'?

1304 nurses came to work here from the EU in July 2016 (probably the last cohort who made their plans before the Brexit vote and were so far into the process they carried on).

46 nurses came to work here from the EU in April 2017.

We are around 40,000 nurses short of the bare minimum we need for patient safety and decent care, probably another 10 or 20 thousand short of really good, high quality care.

Apologies, the figure quoted is gross registrations. It is not clear how many actually ever started work in the NHS. However it would be fair to assume that the net situation may be even worse given the overall migration figures.

Thrugelmir

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

What do you mean by 'net drop'?

1304 nurses came to work here from the EU in July 2016 (probably the last cohort who made their plans before the Brexit vote and were so far into the process they carried on).

46 nurses came to work here from the EU in April 2017.

We are around 40,000 nurses short of the bare minimum we need for patient safety and decent care, probably another 10 or 20 thousand short of really good, high quality care.

Population of Europe is rapidly ageing. Demand is high. Nor does everyone wish to to leave their homeland to work.

Mistermeaner

Another way of looking at this 'issue' is to simply have less public services and let the private sector address the need

That way the tax payer saves money and the private sector will pay the appropriate rate - funded by those who actually need the service

Then also the service consumer would have a choice of both IF and where they obtain their service