Public Sector Pay Restraint Ending?

Tromking

Mistermeaner wrote: »

if the pay is so bad why on earth does anyone want to work there?

Many are making that choice, which is the problem.

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Why don;t these highly skilled professional people get a job with the salary and conditions they deserve somewhere else?

Some are, some are even prepared to take on less well paid and less stressful jobs in the private sector and many are opting for part time to reduce stress and access premium overtime payments.

With respect your making a 2008 argument in order to solve a 2017 problem.

paparossco

In the NHS part-time employees receive payments for the additional hours at plain time rates until their hours exceed standard hours of 37.5 hours a week. There is a single harmonised rate of time-and–a-half for all overtime, with the exception of work on general public holidays, which will be paid at double time.

sevenhills

paparossco wrote: »

In the NHS part-time employees receive payments for the additional hours at plain time rates until their hours exceed standard hours of 37.5 hours a week. There is a single harmonised rate of time-and–a-half for all overtime, with the exception of work on general public holidays, which will be paid at double time.

In my limited experience, NHS workers get paid more than council workers.

Thrugelmir

Tromking wrote: »

Some are, some are even prepared to take on less well paid and less stressful jobs in the private sector and many are opting for part time to reduce stress and access premium overtime payments.

Many have taken VE from the public sector. Only to find that the grass is far from greener on the other side. That's after managing to land a permanent position. It's a dog eat dog world. Nothing is for free. In the private sector I normally worked above my basic hours for nothing extra. That's how one gets on. When times are tough show commitment and loyalty. As there's no Government cheque book to pay the salaries month in month out. Money has to be earnt. Not simply gifted.

Tromking

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Many have taken VE from the public sector. Only to find that the grass is far from greener on the other side. That's after managing to land a permanent position. It's a dog eat dog world. Nothing is for free. In the private sector I normally worked above my basic hours for nothing extra. That's how one gets on. When times are tough show commitment and loyalty. As there's no Government cheque book to pay the salaries month in month out. Money has to be earnt. Not simply gifted.

I'm not sure any of that addresses the chronic retention issues in some public sector roles. Many of my former colleagues have flourished in less stressful jobs in the private sector, and I only know one who took VE and came back after a few years, such was their desperation to get him back he was even allowed to keep all his VE money, circa 50K!
I do get that you may not rate public servants and their work ethic, but that's not really the issue is it?

michaels

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40480766

Only 3% more than the private sector plus those gold plated pensions and of course you only work your contracted hours. No wonder they are moaning.

And what is the pension worth? 40/80ths of a final salary of 50k would need a money purchase pot of 850000(!) or comtributions of about 15k pa throughout a 40 year working life so lets compare that to the couple of percent the average private sector worker gets.

Tromking

michaels wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40480766

Only 3% more than the private sector plus those gold plated pensions and of course you only work your contracted hours. No wonder they are moaning.

And what is the pension worth? 40/80ths of a final salary of 50k would need a money purchase pot of 850000(!) or comtributions of about 15k pa throughout a 40 year working life so lets compare that to the couple of percent the average private sector worker gets.

How is any of that relevant?

michaels

I thought this thread was about public sector pay. That public sector pay is 3% higher than same qualifications private sector pay excluding a pension worth about 10k pa more than most private sector workers get would seem to be relevant?

Thrugelmir

Tromking wrote: »

How is any of that relevant?

Forms part of the employees remuneration package. Ultimately costs the taxpayer a lot of money. The higher the basic pay. The higher the pension liability in the years to come. Does nothing to solve the UK's budget deficit.

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The NHS has a multitude of factors in play. I personally know of several highly graded NHS staff. Who have taken their pensions at 55. Collected their lump sum of 3 times their annual pension. Then become agency staff. Choosing when and for who they work. Often at very good rates of pay on night or weekend shifts given their specialisms.

Precisely, and it is not just in the NHS this happens. If the salaries on offer were high enough that nearly all the posts were filled, then there would be much less demand for agency staff. Public sector pay does not exist in a vacuum.

A month ago Westminster hospital had 14% of its medical posts vacant, many filled by agency staff at significantly more cost than direct employees would cost. Now if this were during a declining need for staff it might make sense but the demand is unlikely to fall. As we approach Brexit we may see rapidly increasing demand for staff.