Public Sector Pay Restraint Ending?

parking_question_chap

I think the sickening thing is the payrises MPs have been getting, they should have been held under the wage caps as well. Especially given they get paid so much more than most public sector workers anyway.

kabayiri

parking_question_chap wrote: »

I think the sickening thing is the payrises MPs have been getting, they should have been held under the wage caps as well. Especially given they get paid so much more than most public sector workers anyway.

I'd rather their wages were linked to the health of the economy.

If UK booms, they boom. If we struggle, they struggle.

Tromking

kabayiri wrote: »

They are starved, but mainly because despite more absolute money going in, the demand is still outstripping supply.

Birth rates are rising; more people coming here; people living longer; improvements in technology increasing expectations.

It's unsurprising that the strains are showing. Nobody ever said the deterioration would be linear. I do performance and stress testing and once you reach certain bottlenecks, things really do go downhill fast.

IMO (only) we need to focus back on to higher productivity.

It's the job of a responsible Government to plan for future population growth and as far as possible abrogate the risk involved with the stresses and strains that our public services inevitably face.
My entire career in public service has been dominated by the incremental reduction in resources, some of it justified, some of it not. Every visit by our 'Manpower' team meant an eventual reduction in staff. The difference in recent years was that we reached a point of 'critical mass' where the job became impossible and nobody now wants to do it.
Higher productivity does not apply in this case.

jamiehelsinki

I keep hearing about public sector pay cuts and how hard they have it but am I right in thinking they have had 1% every year since austerity started?

If that's the case I would gladly swap contracts with them. I work in the private sector doing a very physical job in extreme heat.

I think my pay history goes something like fair cost of living rises upto 2007.

2008. 15% pay cut
and reduction in overtime rates, pensions etc. Better than the poor sods who got p45's though.

2009 zero
2010 zero
2011 zero
2012 zero
2013 1.5%
2014 zero
2015 zero
2016 pay rise due to promotion but a lot more responsibility.
2017 zero.

Thrugelmir

Tromking wrote: »

It's the job of a responsible Government to plan for future population growth

Net immigration 300,000 last year to the UK.

12,000 migrants arrived in Italy last week.

Scale of movement is unprecedented in post war modern times.

Thrugelmir

Jamiehelsinki wrote: »

I keep hearing about public sector pay cuts and how hard they have it but am I right in thinking they have had 1% every year since austerity started?

Majority are also on incremental grading scales that run for 10 years.

Also they are entitled to far better pension provision than private sector. So employer has to find additional .14% to .26% as well to cover additional employer pension scheme contributions.

To keep one Company going that I contracted to for a while. All the staff without exception agreed to a 15% paycut. In order that no one was made redundant. Some people don't realise how tough it can get. First restructuring I was ever involved in some decades ago, the company made a third of it's employees redundant. Can say that the Company recovered and still trades to this day.

Barny1979

In Local Authority, there are typically 4 pay scales within a grade.

Thrugelmir

Barny1979 wrote: »

In Local Authority, there are typically 4 pay scales within a grade.

What's the differential within the scales between points.

daveyjp

Jamiehelsinki wrote: »

I keep hearing about public sector pay cuts and how hard they have it but am I right in thinking they have had 1% every year since austerity started?

If that's the case I would gladly swap contracts with them. I work in the private sector doing a very physical job in extreme heat.

I think my pay history goes something like fair cost of living rises upto 2007.

2008. 15% pay cut
and reduction in overtime rates, pensions etc. Better than the poor sods who got p45's though.

2009 zero
2010 zero
2011 zero
2012 zero
2013 1.5%
2014 zero
2015 zero
2016 pay rise due to promotion but a lot more responsibility.
2017 zero.

Who's the mug?

sevenhills

Barny1979 wrote: »

In Local Authority, there are typically 4 pay scales within a grade.

All the workers on a low wage will not be bothered what rise they get, as the minimum wage has increased so much. The Tories would have you believe that all council workers are paid well above minimum wage, but that is not the case.