Public Sector Pay Restraint Ending?

loskie

Nurse, unskilled!
Banker, £100k and "skilled"!
!!!!!!

scd3scd4

economic wrote: »

it is set by supply and demand - if wannabe nurses are not happy with the pay prospects then they dont nurse and if everyone thinks like this pay will have to go up.

ive had to go to hospital myself and also for a relative and not seen any problems with nursing, just like geatape experienced. so i have no reason to believe there is a severe shortage.

What you believe is hardly scientific is it. Why don't you ask the nurses or people who work there.


My daughter often ends up staying after her shift with no pay. She misses breaks and is often looking after more children than she should due to lack of staff. A trainee nurse, healthy care assistant or agency worker is not always a substitute. Some days there are just not enough trained staff full stop...............what would you suggest they do with the sick children??

scd3scd4

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Powerful enough hinder the ability to innovate and change with any speed. Many seem stuck in a bygone age. The world has moved on.

Not for all. I work for a large American oil company. I have done for over 20 years. We have a CBA and it works fine. In fact the company actively encouragers Union membership and reps. I consider our T&C. Over-time rates, call outs, pension and much more to be envious for many people. I have never had a below inflation pay rise.

Andy_L

HornetSaver wrote: »

The most important attribute in a nurse is that they make the people being cared for feel as though they're in good hands.

I'd have that as second to clinical competance myself, ymmv

Andy_L

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Nurses have the luxury of a National Pay Scale. Perhaps that needs addressing. Someone working in Lincoln has a far better standard of living than say someone in Reigate. As relatively the cost of living is vastly different. Nor is it just a question of pay. Certain specialities struggle to attract applicants at all for some jobs, i.e. paediatrics. There's peoples choice nothing more.

The NHS has the freedom under the agenda for change T&Cs agreement to pay premiums to address recruitment problems in specialist skills and/or locations.

For a mixture of reasons they choose not to use the option that much

economic

scd3scd4 wrote: »

What you believe is hardly scientific is it. Why don't you ask the nurses or people who work there.


My daughter often ends up staying after her shift with no pay. She misses breaks and is often looking after more children than she should due to lack of staff. A trainee nurse, healthy care assistant or agency worker is not always a substitute. Some days there are just not enough trained staffed full stop...............what would you suggest they do with the sick children??

oh wont anyone think of the children!!!

scd3scd4

economic wrote: »

oh wont anyone think of the children!!!

Yep you said that a while back and people ignored you then.


You maybe not so flippant when its your child or a family member...........then give us a shout.


100k.........lol

economic

what you lot dont seem to realise is that if you think nurses should get a pay rise, someone will have to pay for it and it will be the taxpayer. there are cuts all across government/public sector. why are nurses so special to deserve a pay rise at taxpayer expense? taxpayer expense means some other current public service or benefit or future generations will have to pay for it.

believe me if it were possible for robotics to takeover nurses (as long as it was econimical to do so) it would happen and then you lot will be crying about something else or how nurses have no job anymore. the irony is if nurses were paid more it becomes economical to replace them with robotics once/if this technology becomes advanced enough to do so.

sevenhills

economic wrote: »

what you lot dont seem to realise is that if you think nurses should get a pay rise, someone will have to pay for it and it will be the taxpayer.

If only the people setting MPs pay thought the same, why wasn't MPs pay capped at 1%?

chucknorris

There may be another option, perhaps public sector workers could be given the option (on an annual basis, so not having to make a decision that lasts forever) to earn less pension benefits, and take more cash instead? My TPS pension is worth over 33% of my salary, I imagine that the NHS pension is similar.

At my age the pension is better, but for younger people saving to buy a property, cash might make more sense at that stage of their career.

I'm not suggesting that they are continually financially punished with below inflation pay rises though, this is just something else.