Public Sector Pay Restraint Ending?

GreatApe

The state does fund... Actually scrap that. The private sector does fund the public sector at decent levels they pay them 3% more than they pay themselves. So there is no general problem. If nurses need paying more tell me which public sector workers should be paid less to give more to the nurses. Teachers firemen police armed forces who?

Tromking

GreatApe wrote: »

The public sector already pays 3% more than the private sector for an equivalently educated person and public sector workers enjoy more protections and security.

So you want to increase pay further by directly and indirectly taxing mostly the private sector? How is that fair?

Maybe it's not fair.
But you have a recruitment and retention problem in the NHS, what's your solution?

GreatApe

Tromking wrote: »

So no solutions to the 'unsustainable pay cap'.
As I thought.

Why do you think policy should be bases on media catch phrases?

The public sector is already paid more than the private sector who also has lower job security which is worth something.

So I am in agreement nurses more pay. But please list the public sector workers you are going to ask to take a pay cut to pay the nurses more.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

Maybe it's not fair.
But you have a recruitment and retention problem in the NHS, what's your solution?

Maybe pay isn't the underlying issue, but working conditions?

Maybe nurses will be more likely to stay if they aren't chronically overworked in hospitals that are having their budgets slashed?

Where are all these nurses going to? EU? NZ? Aus? Is that because of conditions or because they pay more?

Why are UK nurses paid less than in many EU countries?

GreatApe

I also love the policy of the ignorant group that just cry tax corporations more!!!

That is like crying let's tax private sector workers pensions so we can pay public sector workers even more and give them even higher pensions! No thanks

By the same methodology why not cut all public sector workers pensions by 20% and use it to cut corporation tax. That way we can rob public secot pensions to help private sector pensions

Sound fair?

Tromking

GreatApe wrote: »

Why do you think policy should be bases on media catch phrases?

The public sector is already paid more than the private sector who also has lower job security which is worth something.

So I am in agreement nurses more pay. But please list the public sector workers you are going to ask to take a pay cut to pay the nurses more.

The word "unsustainable" was used by Stephen Dorrell.
I do get that you want public and private sector linked to aid fairness, but what happens when that ends up in pay restraint that effects delivery to the public.
Your idea that some public servants should take pay cuts to fund others, is frankly laughable and will just create other areas of poor retention.
Again, what is your solution, and make it sensible this time.

economic

Herzlos wrote: »

Maybe pay isn't the underlying issue, but working conditions?

Maybe nurses will be more likely to stay if they aren't chronically overworked in hospitals that are having their budgets slashed?

Where are all these nurses going to? EU? NZ? Aus? Is that because of conditions or because they pay more?

Why are UK nurses paid less than in many EU countries?

which eu countries?

Herzlos

economic wrote: »

which eu countries?

Without looking for citations, it's at least £2-3k/more in Germany & Denmark.

economic

Tromking wrote: »

The word "unsustainable" was used by Stephen Dorrell.
I do get that you want public and private sector linked to aid fairness, but what happens when that ends up in pay restraint that effects delivery to the public.
Your idea that some public servants should take pay cuts to fund others, is frankly laughable and will just create other areas of poor retention.
Again, what is your solution, and make it sensible this time.

the solution is - let the free market decide. which it already does - wages are set by supply and demand. a potential solution is to stop all immigrants who are low skilled or poor. then you will see nurse pay rise.

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

Maybe pay isn't the underlying issue, but working conditions?

Maybe nurses will be more likely to stay if they aren't chronically overworked in hospitals that are having their budgets slashed?

Where are all these nurses going to? EU? NZ? Aus? Is that because of conditions or because they pay more?

Why are UK nurses paid less than in many EU countries?

You make a good point.
Speaking personally I would prefer the predictability of the right amount of staff on duty rather than the chaos of relying on staff on premium rates of overtime turning up.