Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Apparently we must buy all our shopping in the local Co-Op.
Never mind that it's more expensive than most places or even that it doesn't always have what you want, it's local!

Such is the thinking of some posters regarding UK trade with the EU it would appear.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

You could always pop to Coles if you think it'll be cheaper or more convenient for your weekly shop.

Pong!
No, I would rather choose where to trade myself thank you.


Italy is now considering temporary visas for its migrants I see.

Italy is considering issuing temporary visas that would allow migrants to travel around the European Union, its deputy foreign minister said on Tuesday, a move intended to pressure its EU neighbours to do more to help ease the migration crisis.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-europe-migrants-italy-eu-idUKKBN1A31B6?il=0

Thrugelmir

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Apparently we must buy all our shopping in the local Co-Op.
Never mind that it's more expensive than most places or even that it doesn't always have what you want, it's local!

On the basis that it protects UK jobs, and sources UK produce. Then yes. Also it means that the £'s spent remain in the UK economy and will circulate further.

If the amount spent is at the expense of importing non essentials from the Far East then even better.

Travel to inland US in comparison and you'll encounter a totally different mindset. Buy US products if at all possible. They understand the importance of protecting now for future generations.

cogito

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Pong!
No, I would rather choose where to trade myself thank you.


Italy is now considering temporary visas for its migrants I see.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-europe-migrants-italy-eu-idUKKBN1A31B6?il=0

That would really put the cat amongst the pigeons. 200,000 more fake refugees wandering around Germany. They're trying to disperse Mrs Merkel's previous intake without much luck. The Austrians are blocking the Brenner Pass to stop them and the French won't let them through the border near Menton.

Zero_Gravitas

I know this the Guardian, but it's the best and most realistic assessment of the current Brexit situation that I've read for a while:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/15/observer-editorial-tide-is-turning-against-deceitful-and-incompetent-hard-brexiters?CMP=share_btn_fb

Zero_Gravitas

Wheesht54 wrote: »

I politely suggest you research "confirmation bias" because like any other opinion piece it is extremely biased. There are very very few that are not. The very first line might be a clue.
"What next from the lords of misrule, the Tory hard Brexiters ...."

In cas you hadn't noticed, I did start by pointing out that it is the Guardian, and I'm well versed with the concept of confirmation bias, thank you very much. However, once you get past the "Guardian-ness" it is, as I said, one of the best assessments of the current situation.

I do expect a good deal of bremming (contraction of Brexit lemming) frothing - a good example of confirmation bias in its own right :-)

cogito

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

In cas you hadn't noticed, I did start by pointing out that it is the Guardian, and I'm well versed with the concept of confirmation bias, thank you very much. However, once you get past the "Guardian-ness" it is, as I said, one of the best assessments of the current situation.

I do expect a good deal of bremming (contraction of Brexit lemming) frothing - a good example of confirmation bias in its own right :-)

It's not the best assessment. It's not even a good assessment. It's just what you would expect from a newspaper which has constantly opposed the idea of Brexit. How can you even expect a non-biased assessment from this source?

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

I know you have some disdain for non-essential spending (which is most of our spending because we're rich) but the idea that an increase in the cost of living and reduction in discretionary spending is a good thing is a difficult sell.

The UK is progressively becoming poorer though. I've no disdain either. Just an appreciation for how others live. Having been fortunate to travel a lot in my lifetime. Doesn't require a sell. As people aren't going to have a choice unless they do something for themselves. The nanny state has no rabbits to pull out the hat.

BobQ

Wheesht54 wrote: »

I politely suggest you research "confirmation bias" because like any other opinion piece it is extremely biased. There are very very few that are not. The very first line might be a clue.
"What next from the lords of misrule, the Tory hard Brexiters ...."

What next indeed. The Guardian is entitled to ridicule the gang of four. They ARE making it up as they go along. They contradict each other in public. There is no concept of a team. They are putting their party before their country. They have lost the confidence of the electrorate. They gambled on a clear mandate and did not get one. The polls are showing that people are losing confidence in their ability to negotiate a deal. Confirmation bias does not come into it. We can all see what a shambles this is becoming.

I do hope I am wrong but I fear this is going to go very badly.

cogito

ilovehouses wrote: »

Where are the impartial observers you use for trusted opinion?

I'm not even sure they exist. They are certainly not to be found in the Mail, Express, Sun or Guardian.

What I believe we are seeing at the moment is a concerted attempt by determined remainers to halt the process that a majority voted for in June last year. It's Project Fear times ten. Everything is presented in a way that is supportive of the EU to the extent of proclaiming that we are unprepared simply because EU delegates at Monday's meeting had a bundle of papers on their desks and David Davis didn't. The meeting was in their offices. They were there first and of course they had their papers in front of them.

The EU are briefing that we are unprepared because they have produced a blizzard of documents and the UK hasn't. We could say that because we arrived at the meetings with a cohort of 98 delegates but they had only 45, it is the EU that are unprepared.

The EU say that we don't understand the reality of the financial settlement that they want. They have been asked to set out the legal basis for their demand and so far it seems that they have been unable to respond. You can be quite certain that while the UK has stated that financial commitments will be honoured, we will be taking their position paper apart line by line to ascertain what is justified and what is not. Which is the party which has unreal expectations? Looks like the EU to me.

The whole thing is utterly silly but that doesn't stop the desperation of the Guardian and quisling types like Blair many others.

Do people seriously think that the UK government hasn't been preparing for Brexit for the past 13 months? If they think that, they are deluded.