Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Thrugelmir wrote: »

A newly founded party with little electoral support now controls French democracy. If that occured in the UK there would be meltdown. Not a system to unite people together.

Indeed.
Mayo though appears to think that Macron could be a successful president without parliamentary support, as that can be the only reason he refuses to accept the correlation in my earlier posts.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Didn't many French voters simply abstain.

The French are more likely to take to the streets, strike and riot, or blockade Channel ports. When they don't like something.

As my French wife would say many, many years ago. As she waited for a comutor train at a north London station and a train was cancelled or delayed.
"If the British commuter reacted like the French when this happens the British trains would run on time"

gfplux

setmefree2 wrote: »

FWIW



http://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-to-break-vow-not-to-talk-trade-in-brexit-talks/

In fact he returned to London two hours after the start and will return on Thursday.

gfplux

setmefree2 wrote: »

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-wto-idUKKBN1A21AB?il=0

See also

'Listen - you might learn something!' Duncan Smith snaps at German host in huge Brexit row



http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/829518/Brexit-news-Iain-Duncan-Smith-German-TV-fiery-row-EU-Michel-Barnier-David-Davis-video[/url

gfplux

setmefree2 wrote: »

http://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-to-break-vow-not-to-talk-trade-in-brexit-talks/

It is very strange that none of the British media have picked up this story. Such a sea change should be making headlines.
Politico and Bloomberg (quoting Politico) have had this story for a few days.
Very curious.

I apologise for post 1483 copied the wrong post.

gfplux

I believe the French have as much understanding of the recent British election as many posters here have of the recent French election.
However most French try not to show their ignorance by not commenting.

gfplux

ilovehouses wrote: »

The disappointment in some parts that Le Pen didn't win with a resounding majority is almost palpable. Not here of course.

During the French campaign a number of posters "gave the impression" that a win for the Fascist far right would not be a BAD thing. Whilst that thought is disgusting perhaps I got the wrong impression!

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

During the French campaign a number of posters "gave the impression" that a win for the Fascist far right would not be a BAD thing. Whilst that thought is disgusting perhaps I got the wrong impression!

Well let's be honest, it IS something you would appear to make quite a habit of.

This commentary today from CNBC:

I do often wonder why one of the few legitimate concerns about the EU is rarely touted though as a good reason to get out?

I'm talking about the fact that - not unlike post-Brexit vote Britain - parts of the European continent are in an economic death spiral and everyone knows it but keep hoping that it will magically go away.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/18/brexiteers-need-a-real-reason-to-leave-the-eu-then-just-look-at-italy.html

Yes it is a commentary - but can you really argue with the fact it contains?

mayonnaise

Wheesht54 wrote: »

University research?
You did read the "getout clause" did you?
So you know what potentially means, right? It means possibly. Maybe. Perhaps.

It's no more than a justification for the so-called academics existence and who funded it?

Regardless, its worth about as much as some of the degrees in "16 most unusual university degrees" only their degrees are real, rather than being maybe degrees.

savethestudent.org/extra-guides/10-most-unusual-uk-university-degrees.html

Used the wrong login ID?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

Giving an opinion but preceding it with 'and the fact is' doesn't miraculously turn opinion to fact.

It should be obvious that once you see the words 'death spiral' we're in the realms of a journalist trying to elicit a response rather witnessing a well argued case for the collapse of the EU.

It's a lazy argument anyway. There will never be a time when some EU members won't be doing so well. No one forecasts the 'death spiral' of the USA based on the lagging economy in Mississippi.

Further obfuscation from you; are you denying then the facts contained therein?

Do you deny Italy's debt is over two trillion Euro's when factual data supports this?
http://www.debtclocks.eu/public-debt-and-budget-deficit-of-italy.html

Perhaps then against recognised thinking you perceive Italy's banking difficulties as being exaggerated?
http://www.menafn.com/1095631676/Italian-banks-may-take-a-many-years-to-fix-problems

It should be obvious from such a response that some refuse to accept the fact that the EU is not the panacea they suggest since although "death spiral" may well be emotive terminology, it is nonetheless an apt and accurate description albeit one which you misquote - unless you can debate the facts as highlighted above.

The "lazy argument" then is more likely to be the one dismissive of fact and incorrectly quoting, because the article very clearly says " parts of the European continent are in an economic death spiral and everyone knows it".
"Parts"; there was no suggestion of the collapse of the entire EU so why attempt to deceive by suggesting it does?


It really does say something when a reasonably centred opinion piece * can voice an opinion based upon fact only to have these facts ignored, misquoted and even derided by a faceless internet warrior.

* Yes centred, read for example " As the painful and quite frankly embarrassing stumble out of Europe continues for the U.K., I watch with sadness at the pathetic lack of conviction of both the previous Remain and pro-Leave camps.

It's never been easier for this journalist to sit on the fence in splendid apolitical isolation ....".