Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

Herzlos

I'd agree with you if Davis had shown any sign of being prepared so far. No plan (unless he's keeping it close to his chest), no paperwork, complete capitulation on every discussion had so far.

The press are making a big deal of the paperwork disparity because it shows the EU has done prep work but Davis can't show that he's done any. Is he so confident he can attend meetings without any documents, or just he just not have them?

always_sunny

cogito wrote: »

Do people seriously think that the UK government hasn't been preparing for Brexit for the past 13 months? If they think that, they are deluded.

Yes, you will find that many people seriously think that and it would not be a surprise at all.
The UK government may have 'prepared' without considering whether or not it's feasible, after all it takes two (UK and EU) to tango.

So far, the only deluded folks are those thinking it'll be a walk in the park in less than 2 years time.

gfplux

The British people are being left to hang out to dry together with the 27.
My view is:-
The British media is split so any commentary is being effected by bias.
The talking heads likewise.
There is much briefing even against colleagues (in Government and in opposition)
If, and I say if Brexit is just a process then the British people need on going guidance from Government.
The sound bites and even insults mainly just adds to the confusion. While "the clock is ticking" is a sound bite it is actually true.
The pile of papers is just that, a pile of papers but Davis flying back to London after 2/3 hours does not convey the right message to British people.
Didn't he debate with colleagues/advisers what message this coveys. Is his desire to become PM so great he can not allow himself to be away from London for more than a few hours?
There are three main items to be properly discussed and moved towards agreement this week. The Irish border may take longer as it is linked to trade but hopefully after lunch on Thursday the press conference will tell all.
13 months on Britains relationship with the 27 is being damaged daily. Most agree these are and will be our major trading partners for some time to come.
Frankly if my supplier or my customer acted in this way I would wonder how productive our relationship can continue to be.

Although as Bloomberg says
"Europe is bored by Brexit"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-18/europe-s-press-shuns-brexit-for-fires-storms-erdogan-and-trump?cmpid=BBBXT071917_BIZ&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=170719&utm_campaign=brexit

always_sunny

gfplux wrote: »

"Europe is bored by Brexit"

That's pretty factual, the rest of the EU (and really Europe) is bored with it doesn't care.
Unless you read English news abroad you barely hear about Brexit in native news channels.

mayonnaise

cogito wrote: »

Do people seriously think that the UK government hasn't been preparing for Brexit for the past 13 months?

Yes I seriously think that.
Only 3 months ago David Davis admitted before a Commons Committee there was no economic assessment done for a 'no deal' option.

mayonnaise

cogito wrote: »

Do people seriously think that the UK government hasn't been preparing for Brexit for the past 13 months?

13 months have passed and only now our great leader is reaching out to the business world....

U.K. Prime Minister Theresa May will launch a new business advisory group Thursday, her office said, as her government tries to build bridges with financial and trade bodies during Brexit negotiations.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-18/u-k-s-may-woos-business-with-new-body-to-talk-brexit-industry

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Not preparing at all eh?
This suggests otherwise:

But British officials are frustrated at portrayals that they are unprepared. The UK thinks this frequently aired charge does not do justice to the year-long technical preparations at the Department for Exiting the EU (DexEU) and the Treasury.

But no, faceless internet warriors know better.
Obviously.
*sigh*
From the same source, it looks like the EU want the UK to accept they must pay a Brexit bill but without detailing any figures:

On the second day of detailed Brexit negotiations, the British team peppered the Brussels side with questions over how to pay for unwinding 44 years of the UK’s European Union membership.
An earlier session of talks on Monday was so intense officials did not take a coffee break and were running out of water.

Barnier will not try to pin the British down to a number, when he reports back to EU leaders on whether the British have made “sufficient progress” at a Brussels summit in October.
The final Brexit bill is unlikely to emerge until the last hours of negotiations. Seasoned Brussels negotiators think a deal is most likely to emerge at a late-night summit of EU leaders in the autumn of 2018.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/18/eu-talks-divided-over-britains-brexit-divorce-bill-mooted-at-66bn

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Further and very recent allegations - from a German at that - of the EU's intent to "punish" the UK for daring to leave the EU:

Mr Henkel ............. said Mr Barnier and Mr Verhofstadt simply want to “make a mess” of the negotiations in order to discourage other nations from leaving the EU.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/19/eus-brexit-chiefs-want-punish-britain-stop-countries-leaving/

Also here:

Brexiteers are right - the EU is trying to punish Britain for leaving, senior German MEP says

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-talks-senior-german-mep-eu-negotiators-punish-britain-hans-olaf-henkel-theresa-may-michel-a7848221.html

always_sunny

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Further and very recent allegations - from a German at that - of the EU's intent to "punish" the UK for daring to leave the EU:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/19/eus-brexit-chiefs-want-punish-britain-stop-countries-leaving/

Also here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-talks-senior-german-mep-eu-negotiators-punish-britain-hans-olaf-henkel-theresa-may-michel-a7848221.html

And wasn't the intent/hope of many Brexiteers to make sure the EU collapses?

mayonnaise

Let's not forget the 'punishment' is not being done by the EU.
The punishment was entirely self inflicted by the UK electorate who thought it was a good idea to turn our backs on the largest and most prosperous free-trade area in the world.