the snap general election thread

Joe_Horner

Thrugelmir wrote: »

All the main parties plans were uncosted. No one provided real detail to their plans. What separated the Labour one from the rest was the scale of the spending plans. The financial commitment in the years ahead could not have been covered by taxing the rich and Corporations more alone. There was a hole of some £50bn or so. Therefore the key issue was how this hole was going to be plugged. There's much that JC didn't say.

No, the Labour manifesto was costed. Whether or not you (or anyone else) agreed with those costings is immaterial - they were there to be seen.

The Tories just said "trust us, we're the tories" and handed in a blank sheet.

Rinoa

Tromking wrote: »

Getting 40% of the vote, on a properly left wing agenda is massive and with another cohort of younger people coming on stream every few years then IMO, time is on their side.This was more about changing the Labour party than getting power in the next election.
This result will embolden the Labour grass roots and with a ultimately more electable leader like Keir Starmer, the Tories have a problem come 2022, or maybe even earlier.

JC was certainly a winner.

He gets to keep his job, will be a hero of the left forever and doesn't have to worry about providing all the free stuff he lied about.

What a result for the old fella.

hallmark

Joe_Horner wrote: »

No, the Labour manifesto was costed. Whether or not you (or anyone else) agreed with those costings is immaterial - they were there to be seen.

The Tories just said "trust us, we're the tories" and handed in a blank sheet.

It's hardly immaterial. If I stood on a policy of "two plus two = five" & included a costing document that said "two plus two = five" that wouldn't make it costed. It would make it lies, that were accompanied by a factually dishonest costing document.

And lets forget all the semantics. Even the "best" Labour Governments spend so much they bankrupt the country eventually. Corbyn was a joke. His manifesto was a joke. Had he won he'd have caused untold damage, most of it to the people he pretends to care about. It's a very good thing indeed that he lost badly.

Likewise to argue that the Tory manifesto wasn't costed, whilst true, is a straw man argument. The main criticism of the Tories is "all those cuts they make". By definition the Tories spend LESS & get beaten up everytime they do it by people like Corbyn. So it's a faintly ludicrous argument to get hung up on their costings.

gfplux

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

I don't know if this is possible, but surely the most sensible thing to do now would be to "uninvoke" article 50 until the dust settles and there is some idea of exactly who has a mandate to negotiate with the EU...

I honestly don't think that is an option. The EU have had Brexit hanging over them since June 2016. I see that waiting until March 2017 to trigger A50 was already an irritant and I feel the EU will be happy to get it over with (in whatever form) by March 2019.
Rember to extend the two year negotiating period has to be agreed by ALL party's that all 27. Plus Britain.
Yes I know anything can happen, we should be getting used to it but logically the longer uncertainty lasts it will damage both sides.

hallmark

Rinoa wrote: »

JC was certainly a winner.

He gets to keep his job, will be a hero of the left forever and doesn't have to worry about providing all the free stuff he lied about.

What a result for the old fella.

He also felt up Emily Thornberry.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4587044/Jeremy-Corbyn-hits-Emily-Thornberry-breast.html

I suspect that would be considered a downside for most of us, but perhaps he enjoyed it. Considering his form with Dianne Abbot we can only hope that John McDonnell doesn't get too close to Jezza anytime soon.

Bonniepurple

hallmark wrote: »

No no no no, it was all costed. It went like this:

1. Our fiscal rule says that capital spending doesn't count
2. Almost everything is capital spending
3. Er that's it.......

I've pointed out that on that basis my daughter's Christmas wish list is fully costed - she's 8!:rotfl:

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

Nah.

May is cleverly luring them into a false sense of security.

They will spend months agreeing the money and citizens stuff, and then start bickering over trade.

One week before A50 completes, May will call another snap election.

She's the queen of them, dontcha know.

But, tbh, they have politicians too. If the nitty gritty gets tough, expect bickering between the Poles and the Germans and the Italians and the Irish and ....

They won't be able to keep the discussions under wraps. They have Juncker on their side, and is mouth is as loose as can be.

The intention is NOT to keep them under wraps. The EU will use the need for transparency (there are just too many Governments involved to stop leaks) as a negotiating ploy. The British side are hoping to keep it all secret but it is unlikely they will get their way.

hallmark

Isn't a Remainder an old book?

gfplux

Is there any chance the DUP will demand a cabinet post and be given one by May or will it just be cash for NI and a seat at the Brexit negotiations when the Irish border is being discussed.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

The British side are hoping to keep it all secret but it is unlikely they will get their way.

What's the source of your inside information?