the snap general election thread

Joe_Horner

Rinoa wrote: »

Let's put it another way. If you were a potential terrorist and voted yesterday, who got your vote.

I bet it wasn't TM.

Funnily enough, when the attacks started earlier in the campaign I thought quite long and hard about that very question and the answer was the Tories.

As a jihadist who's planning to blow myself up, I really couldn't give two figs (are figs allowed in Islam?) about getting shot. Arrested, charged, and jailed on the other hand would delay my date with those virgins by quite a long time.

As is my duty , I'd also have an eye out for the next recruit when my time came - we need a steady supply, see. And the hate, fear and division that the right favour is a much more fertile recruiting ground than some beardy bloke who's willing to listen to my potential Brothers before they're converted.

Yep, its a Tory vote for me thanks.

hallmark

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Highly questionable. Of the all the manifestos Labour's had the most unanswered questions from a financial perspective. Easy to promise the earth to the electorate. Far more difficult to deliver. At least Blair and Brown inherited an improving economy. On which to base their plans. Not the situation we find ourselves in today.

No no no no, it was all costed. It went like this:

1. Our fiscal rule says that capital spending doesn't count
2. Almost everything is capital spending
3. Er that's it.......

Joe_Horner

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Highly questionable. Of the all the manifestos Labour's had the most unanswered questions from a financial perspective

Eh? The Tory one was completely uncosted. You really can't get many more questions than that from a financial perspective!

Then again, I guess if you're intending to spend nothing while selling off what's left of the family silver to your mates costings maybe dont matter too much.

Thrugelmir

Tromking wrote: »

Never ending austerity is killing the Tories.

That's the root of the problem. If TM had stood up and told the truth. Then she would have been wiped out totally. JC is the new Messiah to the young. One suspects he's going to lacking in credible ideas though. Spending money requires no thought. Creating an economy to generate wealth is another matter. Austerity is coming one way or the other. Seems as we've jumped into the Tardus and arrived back in the 70's.

hallmark

Thrugelmir wrote: »

That's the root of the problem. If TM had stood up and told the truth. Then she would have been wiped out totally.

To an extent that's what she did. She said she'd end the unaffordable triple-lock & means-test the winter fuel payments. And she presented a (financially viable) solution to longterm care.

All of this was deemed to be so awful her poll ratings dropped about 10points overnight.

By contrast Corbyn made endless promises of giveways & the electorate lapped them up.

A timely reminder that lots of the general public are thick.

Luckily not enough of them

Tromking

hallmark wrote: »

Sorry to "Labour" the point, but he lost. Really really badly.

He got a miserable 29 more seats than Milliband did in his trouncing 2 years ago. And a grand total of 3 more than Brown, who'd just bankrupted the country at the time. Other than that you have to go back THIRTY YEARS to 1987 to find a time Labour did worse than yesterday.

Getting 40% of the vote, on a properly left wing agenda is massive and with another cohort of younger people coming on stream every few years then IMO, time is on their side.This was more about changing the Labour party than getting power in the next election.
This result will embolden the Labour grass roots and with a ultimately more electable leader like Keir Starmer, the Tories have a problem come 2022, or maybe even earlier.

System

This is all a bit embarrassing. 5 weeks of terrorist memes and now this. Very entertaining

Thrugelmir

Joe_Horner wrote: »

Eh? The Tory one was completely uncosted. You really can't get many more questions than that from a financial perspective!

All the main parties plans were uncosted. No one provided real detail to their plans. What separated the Labour one from the rest was the scale of the spending plans. The financial commitment in the years ahead could not have been covered by taxing the rich and Corporations more alone. There was a hole of some £50bn or so. Therefore the key issue was how this hole was going to be plugged. There's much that JC didn't say.

hallmark

Tromking wrote: »

Getting 40% of the vote

He still lost huge.

Tromking wrote: »

Getting 40% of the vote, on a properly left wing agenda is and with another cohort of younger people coming on stream every few years

Well yes. But his problem is, by that time the others have started to grow up & possibly learnt how to do sums.

Also nobody who paid for their own university fees will be that jazzed about the next lot getting them for free.

Tromking wrote: »

with a ultimately more electable leader like Keir Starmer, the Tories have a problem come 2022

I'd agree with that, except what makes you think a more electable leader has a chance of getting made leader of the Labour party when the hard left control them? They are stuck with Corbyn or somebody even more hardline.

hallmark

Joeskeppi wrote: »

This is all a bit embarrassing. 5 weeks of terrorist memes and now this. Very entertaining

Not sure what you mean by 5 weeks of terrorist memes. Corbyn didn't try to turn terrorism into political capital until two weeks ago.

Other than that, the terrorist sympathizer Corbyn got a good kicking yesterday in the election. A marvelous result. He has no power except to continue to destroy the Labour party.

Actually you're correct. It is entertaining :beer: