the snap general election thread

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Don't be so sure, the cracks are starting to show already....

How long will the PLP remain united? Going to have to be some uneasy alliances and compromises over the next few years that's for sure. The single issue parties were well and truly found out last night. What's required is people that are prepared to work for the common good. Not their own short term political interests.

Rinoa

Joe_Horner wrote: »

Not going to even bother giving context to those because the truth of every one of those is out there if you bothered to look.

What I will say, as an ex soldier, is that it IS a tragedy when extrajudicial killings - which includes Bin Laden and drone strikes - are carried out when there's any alternative (which there certainly was in the case of Bin Liner) because they absolutely and irrevocably undermine the principles of justice and law which I put my life on the line to defend.

You do NOT beat terrorism by allowing the other side to paint you as terrorists to people who might be convinced to sympathise with them.

Let's put it another way. If you were a potential terrorist and voted yesterday, who got your vote.

I bet it wasn't TM.

hallmark

Joe_Horner wrote: »

Are you on the wacky backy or just a planet much closer to the sun?

5 months maybe. At a stretch. Downhill with the wind behind them.

Haha, what exactly will trigger that then? The Tories are easily the biggest & most popular party. Support from the DUP gives them an overall majority too. A lot of squawking from Labour (terrible performance yesterday), Libdems (terrible performance yesterday), the SNP (terrible performance yesterday), Len McClussky & The Guardian, adds up to NOTHING

The Tories are in power. Corbyn is back in his usual place of angry protester fuming from the sidelines. Get used to it.

hallmark

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What's required is people that are prepared to work for the common good. Not their own short term political interests.

Something both the Conservatives & the DUP have lots of recent experience of. They both know how to sit round a table & sort out deals.

And keeping Corbyn out is all the motivation they need to do so. A Marxist IRA sympathizer. Total anathama to every Tory & every member of the DUP.

Arklight

Thrugelmir wrote: »

How long will the PLP remain united? Going to have to be some uneasy alliances and compromises over the next few years that's for sure. The single issue parties were well and truly found out last night. What's required is people that are prepared to work for the common good. Not their own short term political interests.

At least Labour have a clear direction now. The Blairites can either buy into it or move on.

I'm not sure what vision the Conservatives are going to come up with. It's extremely hard to be the party of government, to screw up this badly, administer austerity, a political change 48% of people don't want, and then bounce back.

I suspect the DUP, when people find out about them, will be a bridge too far. Considering all the trash talked about Corbyn and propaganda about terror links, I fully expect Labour to be relentless and merciless going after the Tories about the legitimacy of this union.

The DUP have no more place in government than Sinn Fein, who at least understand that.

Thrugelmir

hallmark wrote: »

Something both the Conservatives & the DUP have lots of recent experience of. They both know how to sit round a table & sort out deals.

And keeping Corbyn out is all the motivation they need to do so. A Marxist IRA sympathizer. Total anathama to every Tory & every member of the DUP.

Perhaps Momentum will split away to form an alternative Labour party in time. The old rich / working class links appear to be well and truly broken.

hallmark

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Perhaps Momentum will split away to form an alternative Labour party in time. The old rich / working class links appear to be well and truly broken.

A Labour party split is not impossible but I think it'd have to be the other way round. Momentum probably has it in a death grip now so it's the moderates/Blairites who'd have to break away & form a new party.

As I say, there are lots of aspects to yesterday's result which start to look like extremely good news for the Tories after the initial chatter dies down. At a stroke yesterday's results have cemented Corbyn & his hopeless team in power indefinitely, whilst simultaneously crippling the SNP & silencing them on the subject of Indyref2 for the foreseeable future.

Tromking

Thrugelmir wrote: »

How long will the PLP remain united? Going to have to be some uneasy alliances and compromises over the next few years that's for sure. The single issue parties were well and truly found out last night. What's required is people that are prepared to work for the common good. Not their own short term political interests.

I've lost count of the amount of PLP mea culpa's by former Corbyn doubters I've seen today.
Corbyn has shown them that left wing politics can win. He's even managed to energise the 'yoof', the holy grail for any political party.
Centrist politics is looking very tired right now and I sense that Brexit is in big trouble also.
Never ending austerity is killing the Tories.

Thrugelmir

Arklight wrote: »

At least Labour have a clear direction now.

Highly questionable. Of the all the manifestos Labour's had the most unanswered questions from a financial perspective. Easy to promise the earth to the electorate. Far more difficult to deliver. At least Blair and Brown inherited an improving economy. On which to base their plans. Not the situation we find ourselves in today.

hallmark

Tromking wrote: »

Corbyn has shown them that left wing politics can win.

Sorry to "Labour" the point, but he lost. Really really badly.

He got a miserable 29 more seats than Milliband did in his trouncing 2 years ago. And a grand total of 3 more than Brown, who'd just bankrupted the country at the time. Other than that you have to go back THIRTY YEARS to 1987 to find a time Labour did worse than yesterday.