CPM boss James Randall off his trolley, DailyMail report

beamerguy

safarmuk wrote: »

This will get really messy in Residential Parking cases ... the Managing Agents rarely bother turning up on site so they won't do it, in which case they will likely give the App to one or two supportive Residents which by definition infers they are saying they are the "landowners" or the "Managing Agents operative". So when residents start taking photos of each other how is that going to end up ... in a fight or court. Oh my ...

I could not imagine what will happen when a resident discovers that another resident is making from them let alone taking pictures of their car ??

James Randall, time to come off the funny stuff

Herzlos

Will these residents be liable for any DPA violation charges?

I mean, is there a scam where the photographer takes deliberately incorrect parking images, causing the PPC to violate the DPA in accessing records that have no right to, and generating hundreds of quid in damages to the "victims"?

safarmuk

It's even more funny than that, by arming a select Resident you are implying they are the landowner (which they are by virtue of the lease) so when they take photos of another leaseholder parking where their lease says they can (just without a piece of paper in the right place) ... they contradict themselves utterly.
Parking in some Residential Estates is toxic enough without pouring this petrol on the fire ...

beamerguy

Herzlos wrote: »

Will these residents be liable for any DPA violation charges?

I mean, is there a scam where the photographer takes deliberately incorrect parking images, causing the PPC to violate the DPA in accessing records that have no right to, and generating hundreds of quid in damages to the "victims"?

If normal people like us could understand the mind of the scammer, it could give us some understanding.

For the time being, it must be left in the hands of professional shrinks

bemac

Firstly disagree with just anyone attempting to issue parking tickets using this kind of App.

However there are legitimate requirements by businessmen. Where I am there are 1000 spaces owned by businesses inside the building the car park surrounds. These businesses pay a monthly fee for their staff to park there.

Even with barrier control it is amazing how many tailgate to illegally park for free. With clamping and spot fines on private land being made illegal there is very little that can be done to remove these people.

Remember these drivers, knowingly park illegally in a pre paid spot - that is THEFT and there has to be a way to manage it.

One option is to take a picture, send it to one of these CPM and have them issue the fine.

The signage provided by genuine companies is extremely useful and clear. It does act as a deterrent for many. For those that wish to risk the ticket, ignore it and any other issued fines, I am am sure after one or two, paid or not, even they would stop illegal parking.

In summary, this is a good idea for legitimate and considerate landlords to deter thieves and trespassers. It is sadly being abused by scammers.

DoaM

Was the question of whether this Norris Cole photo approach being valid to invoke keeper liability ever resolved?

Does POFA stipulate the mechanism by which photos are taken? (e.g. must be ANPR).

beamerguy

bemac wrote: »

Firstly disagree with just anyone attempting to issue parking tickets using this kind of App.

However there are legitimate requirements by businessmen. Where I am there are 1000 spaces owned by businesses inside the building the car park surrounds. These businesses pay a monthly fee for their staff to park there.

Even with barrier control it is amazing how many tailgate to illegally park for free. With clamping and spot fines on private land being made illegal there is very little that can be done to remove these people.

Remember these drivers, knowingly park illegally in a pre paid spot - that is THEFT and there has to be a way to manage it.

One option is to take a picture, send it to one of these CPM and have them issue the fine.

The signage provided by genuine companies is extremely useful and clear. It does act as a deterrent for many. For those that wish to risk the ticket, ignore it and any other issued fines, I am am sure after one or two, paid or not, even they would stop illegal parking.

In summary, this is a good idea for legitimate and considerate landlords to deter thieves and trespassers. It is sadly being abused by scammers.

The problem you quote is indeed a problem

The answer is NOT to let the scammers take control.
Trouble is that ALL the parking companies are scammers who have no interests in proper car parking management, they just use car parks as cash cows.

Until there is a REAL parking company your problem will continue.

Companies like CPM are not the answer

"One option is to take a picture, send it to one of these CPM and have them issue the fine."

This is loaded with problems not only for the picture taker but the PPC.
and ... it's not a fine, just a simple begging invoice. PPC 's operating on private land do not have the authority to "FINE"

safarmuk

@bemac, I don't think anyone here disagrees that in some cases there is a need for legitimate parking controls. However there are three elements to this, it has to be reasonable, controlled and have proper safeguards against abuse.

I can't speak for your scenario but in my experience where these companies work on Residential Parking sites, simply speaking their behaviour is unacceptable. There is documented evidence where even after they give a PCN to a resident in his/her own allocated bay and that resident identifies themselves as such they still refuse to be reasonable quoting T&C's on the sign and rejecting any correspondence. The average Joe buys this claptrap, pays and is naturally infuriated as it is unfair.

If these companies played fair it would be a different story, but they don't. In these instances they are clearly not out to help the residents at all.

If anyone knows of a real genuine, fair and reputable Residential Parking company I would love to hear about them and if they are genuine I might even put them forward as a replacement.

beamerguy

safarmuk wrote: »

If anyone knows of a real genuine, fair and reputable Residential Parking company I would love to hear about them and if they are genuine I might even put them forward as a replacement.

There is not one, being fair and honest would not make them money

This is a NO GO in the spammers charter which is taught to them daily by the IAS

safarmuk

Exactly.
Precisely my point ... and that is why landowners will never get the mutually beneficial service they really need from these PPCs that @bemac indicates they want and need.