Email no longer free

esuhl

debitcardmayhem wrote: »

How do you do that with GMX or Gmail then ?I can't figure out how to do that

The web interface probably doesn't allow it (I haven't checked), so you may need to use an email client (like Thunderbird).

walesrob

esuhl wrote: »

Strange. I've been doing this for years and have never had a problem.

That's cool, you've been lucky.

esuhl wrote: »

Of course. That's why you reply with your domain address in the "from" field.

So who's SMTP are you using? If its GMX, and they allow any address to be created in the 'from' field, without authentication, that's asking for trouble. Unless your referring to a "reply to" email address?

esuhl wrote: »

No you won't -- you just set up an account with another provider and change the email forwarding on your domain. Again, correspondents will be unaware of any change.

I can't think of a single reason why you would pay for email hosting for a simple home-use account.

Agree with what your saying bar the bit about forwarding, we'll just have to agree to disagree. For a simple home use account, yeah, you are right. For pro use, its a different thing.

Like I said, if this set up works for you, that's good, but I'd rather not have my emails be at the mercy of forwarding services.

esuhl

walesrob wrote: »

So who's SMTP are you using? If its GMX, and they allow any address to be created in the 'from' field, without authentication, that's asking for trouble. Unless your referring to a "reply to" email address?

No -- I've always used my ISP's SMTP server. That's what it's there for.

In fairness, I should point out that I only send emails from home. I guess if I wanted to send email whilst using someone else's network, I'd need to do it via VPN access to my home PC.

walesrob wrote: »

Like I said, if this set up works for you, that's good, but I'd rather not have my emails be at the mercy of forwarding services.

Well, you're "at the mercy" of your email host in any case. So shouldn't you be hosting your own email? And you're "at the mercy" of an ISP in order to access the internet at all. The internet is unimaginably complex. You're at the mercy of lots of different things in order for it to work, but it's surprisingly reliable.

Like you, I think it's fine if you've found a system that works... but this is MSE! Why pay, if you can do what you want free?

:money:

DavidP24

The OP came on here to find a mail provider that was free, if he had the few bucks they want for a business level email he would pay it.

Proposing a solution based on a domain is all very well but in reality to do it properly it requires hosting. If you tried to SEND email using ISP it would be called relaying and that has been banned for years as spammers use it. Most well configured servers will reject email that is relayed.

He is concerned about losing his existing mails, they are important to him, so he would not risk using a flakey domain redirection.

For the most part Namecheap offer services for free for one year, whether it is private email or WHOIS, they then bill the ignorant and discount the savvy. Overall they are not the cheapest in my experience but it depends on how many domains you have, if in the hundreds others are cheaper.

Getting back to the topic that the OP actually raised I refer the honourable gentlemen to the answer I gave a moment ago (in previous post).

GingerBob wrote: »

Hello, I've just been informed by my email provider, everyone.net, that they are about to start charging for the previously free service. As of 23 March I won't have access at all, unless I pay.


This is potentially a massive problem for me. I've been using the service for ages and I've a large number of emails that I'd like to keep. I really hope they go out of business as a result of this.


What is a good, free, alternative service? I'm looking at MAIL.COM - it seems alright. I suppose there's always the risk the same thing could happen, so maybe I should use my ISP email facility.


Any recommendations?

DavidP24 wrote: »

You do not say what client you use, for example if you used MS Outlook (not express) and had it configured as Pop3 you would have a copy of all emails received and sent.

It is not too late to GRAB all the emails received, you can do this with Outlook, Thunderbird or Gmail.

Right now you can configure the above to go get the emails using Pop3 so they grab the email, the header and store it. You can tell them to leave a copy on the server so you can use both.

If you use IMAP it is just a view to what is on the server, so as you want to avoid dependence on these people I would not use that.

I would then consider setting up a Holiday Response on your old email telling people your new email address.

For now Gmail is probably your best Option, Mail.com was bought by 1&1 who also operate GMX, they are perfectly fine but lack some of the power of GMAIL.

I have hundreds of email addresses, I use GMAIL to collect them, it removes SPAM, I then collect the email less the spam using Outlook (came with MS Office Pro). GMX can collect too but not as good as removing spam or learning spam. I also have my own domains with unlimited hosting and unlimited everything but as the whole point of your post is not to pay I do not see the point of recommending anything that costs you money.

There is nothing stopping you using mail.com or GMX and then using Gmail to collect and clean, Gmail's power is in acting intelligently on the emails received.

If you receive upwards of 80,000 emails a year you have to emloy some sort of automatic filing system with what I call a DIP IN strategy.

So some messages will be stored and archived on arrival and I will "dip in" when I get time, I even have whole email accounts where I dip in and do not use Gmail to collect these.

As a result I get virtually no spam, occasionally (about every 3 weeks) I will log into gmail, check nothing got marked as spam by accident. I also log in immediately to "train" it if some new spammer got through.

So my email that I read is in Outlook. In there I store the last 6 years of emails sent and received, each year I make a copy of the PST file, then I delete the 7th year emails.

I archive those PST files to my NAS and Cloud storage.

I hope this helps.

esuhl

DavidP24 wrote: »

The OP came on here to find a mail provider that was free, if he had the few bucks they want for a business level email he would pay it.

Proposing a solution based on a domain is all very well but in reality to do it properly it requires hosting. If you tried to SEND email using ISP it would be called relaying and that has been banned for years as spammers use it. Most well configured servers will reject email that is relayed.

None of the ISPs I've ever used have ever had any problems with it, so clearly it hasn't been banned for years.

I don't know why there's so much confusion over this!?

J_B

I have my own domain with 1&1 for e mails
My ISP is plusnet
I use Thunderbird as my mail program
I use POP3

I sometimes have problems with messages bouncing, but since I have put my (1&1) e mail address in the 'reply to' box (as well as the from box) and set the 1&1 SMTP as the 'default' setting ... it seems to have been better.

neilmcl

DavidP24 wrote: »

The OP came on here to find a mail provider that was free, if he had the few bucks they want for a business level email he would pay it.

Proposing a solution based on a domain is all very well but in reality to do it properly it requires hosting. If you tried to SEND email using ISP it would be called relaying and that has been banned for years as spammers use it. Most well configured servers will reject email that is relayed.

He is concerned about losing his existing mails, they are important to him, so he would not risk using a flakey domain redirection.

Sorry, but I've been using my own domain and email forwarding for as long as I can remember and it's been as reliable as any other form of email service. Absolutely nothing "flaky" about it.

mttylad

I have used Gmail since it started, I have multiple accounts with it and can send mail with the from address as anything else as long as I add that account and verify it (it send an email to that address for confirmation) where the email then appears to come from the domain named address instead.

Easy to do, works well and is free.
The only thing that is a problem is the use of labels rather than folders, people cannot get their heads around them.

I'd go for it, nothing is lost.

As for GMX, who the heck is that? Thats one company that may throw the towel in first, I doubt Gmail will.

walesrob

GMX and Mail.com (same company I believe, 1 & 1) don't allow IMAP/POP/SMTP access unless you upgrade at a cost. So they can't be taken seriously as a freemail provider, I can't use it with Thunderbird, can't use it with Apple Mail app on iPhone, and it can't even be linked to Gmail or Outlook.

Gmail or Outlook seem the best bet if your looking for a free email service. Outlook IMHO is slightly better as its now hosted on the Office platform, so you get Exchange-like features for free, which integrates nicely with Outlook email client, or indeed any Exchange capable email software.

esuhl

walesrob wrote: »

GMX and Mail.com (same company I believe, 1 & 1) don't allow IMAP/POP/SMTP access unless you upgrade at a cost. So they can't be taken seriously as a freemail provider, I can't use it with Thunderbird, can't use it with Apple Mail app on iPhone, and it can't even be linked to Gmail or Outlook.

Nonsense -- I've used a free GMX account with IMAP and SMTP for years.