Electric cars

silverwhistle

So what you're saying Adrian, is that production of EVs can't keep up with demand?

I'm glad there's at least something we can agree on.:D

AdrianC

silverwhistle wrote: »

So what you're saying Adrian, is that production of EVs can't keep up with demand?

It certainly appears so, yes.


Now remind me what the current market share is?

Herzlos

AdrianC wrote: »

Now remind me what the current market share is?

Growing. Fast.

Martyn1981

AdrianC wrote: »

Now remind me what the current market share is?

Growing.

So bad news for the anti-EV trolls and FUDsters.

PS - Tesla is coming.

[Edit - Doh! Herzlos beat me too it. M.]

AdrianC

Growing, sure. As fast as what we've just agreed is heavily constrained production will allow it...


Which, currently, is about 1.5% in the US.

Herzlos

AdrianC wrote: »

Growing, sure. As fast as what we've just agreed is heavily constrained production will allow it...


Which, currently, is about 1.5% in the US.

And it was 0% a few years ago, TM3 is one of the top selling US cars at the moment, in a market that's been producing ICE cars for decades. Even in top selling spot it's going to take years to get to any kind of dominance.



Sometimes I'm not sure what your point is. Does production not being at a stage to handle demand somehow invalidate anything?


Once the technology matures and the big players get on board production should be in a much better state.

silverwhistle

This flurry of the thread has made me laugh. Someone still insists they're not anti-EV, but continues with their unrealistic negativity and expectations that things will change overnight but takes delight in pointing out whenever they don't.



It's quite sad really.

AdrianC

Herzlos wrote: »

Once the technology matures and the big players get on board production should be in a much better state.

The technology is mature. There's nothing radical, technically speaking, in today's EVs. There's nothing particularly different, technically, between the drivetrains of those on the market now and those of 5-6 years ago.



The big players are on board - they're developing new products as fast as they can, and they've mostly had products on the market for a few years now.


So what's the cause of the production delays? For Tesla, it appears to be a simple and ongoing inability to unblock the bottlenecks with the M3 lines.
For the others...?
Battery supply? Partially. And that applies to all Lithium-Ion cells, of course, not just automotive.
Simple consumer demand? Probably.
Is the consumer demand easily unlockable? It's all dependent entirely on the infrastructure.
So do the manufacturers go all "Supercharger" and take the infrastructure into their own hands? It worked for Tesla as an early adopter model, without constraints of profitability. It's happening, though - Ionity and others. But is it scaleable to the mainstream?

Martyn1981

AdrianC wrote: »

The technology is mature.

No it's not. It's still seeing enormous cost reductions from increasing demand along the lines of Swanson's Law.

As prices fall demand rises, as demand rises supply increases, as supply increases costs fall. And BEV's are already cheaper on a TCO basis.

Your tactic of constantly drawing false lines in the sand is the reason why you are always wrong.

Your ability to forget previous lines whilst drawing new ones is the reason you continue to believe you are right.

I think this week we have reached 'Peak FUD' with your new definition of BEV/Tesla success being the 'Ade lick test'. Good luck with that one ....... Tesla is coming.

AdrianC

Economies of scale are not the same thing as technical advances.