Electric cars

AdrianC

Miffed ex-Tesla engineer spills quite a lot of beans about the behind-the-scenes practices...
(Lots of screenshots of pertinent stuff from a rambling forum thread, linked in comments)



https://twitter.com/atomicthumbs/status/1032939617404645376

Car_54

AdrianC wrote: »

Miffed ex-Tesla engineer spills quite a lot of beans about the behind-the-scenes practices...
(Lots of screenshots of pertinent stuff from a rambling forum thread, linked in comments)



https://twitter.com/atomicthumbs/status/1032939617404645376

Most of that was incomprehensible, at least to me., but I was struck by one poster's description of Tesla as "one of the most successful american businesses ever".

He clearly knows more about software than he does about business, where the one essential prerequisite of "success" is to make a profit.

AdrianC

Car_54 wrote: »

Most of that was incomprehensible, at least to me.

There's certainly a lot of deep-techie stuff in there, but even without an in-depth understanding, you should be able to get the gist.

but I was struck by one poster's description of Tesla as "one of the most successful american businesses ever".

He clearly knows more about software than he does about business, where the one essential prerequisite of "success" is to make a profit.

Meow! <grin>

Herzlos

Car_54 wrote: »

He clearly knows more about software than he does about business, where the one essential prerequisite of "success" is to make a profit.

Musk has made enough from his other ventures to let Tesla make a loss for a whole lot longer. It'll need to make money eventually though.

Herzlos

Car_54 wrote: »

Most of that was incomprehensible, at least to me., but I was struck by one poster's description of Tesla as "one of the most successful american businesses ever".

Basically; a lot of the production side of things is a bit rough as you'd expect with any new venture. Safety is a big focus, and "all the best staff" keep leaving.

Everything is pretty much the same as anywhere else in the industry.

AdrianC

Herzlos wrote: »

Basically; a lot of the production side of things is a bit rough as you'd expect with any new venture.

Not that new. The Model S has been in production for six years now.

Martyn1981

AdrianC wrote: »

Not that new. The Model S has been in production for six years now.

Yes, I seem to remember them celebrating 2170+ days of having no segment competitor.

BTW ...... any thoughts on your 22x claim yet, it's been a while and I'd have thought I'm overdue an apology for your original response which was full of false claims:

AdrianC wrote: »

Is there any reality which will impinge upon your rampant astroturfing for St Elon?

Yes, they're finally ramping production up - but still very slowly. To date, they've had 2x 4,000+ car weeks, 2x 3,800+ car weeks, and another 3x 3,000 car weeks (one in April, one in May). A week ago, they put out just 2,800 - one of just three weeks ~2,500+. The grand total is still <60k cars.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tesla-tracker/

And you reckon that in the year from this month on, they can actually make a big dent in the US car market? Tesla has 0.7% of the car market this year to date...
https://www.marklines.com/en/statistics/flash_sales/salesfig_usa_2018
...and trucks outsell cars 2:1. Ford shift over 800,000 F150s - to get close to that, Tesla would be looking at nearly a quarter of the total car market, a 35x increase from now...

I appreciate that you have since completely reversed your claim and now stated that the TM3 could be the top selling car, but that's not the same as apologising for abusive comments, and it was still riddled with 22 insane mistakes, so to speak

Martyn1981

The plug in market is still doing well in Europe. A 40% annual increase is about a doubling every two years, which, if supply is up to it, could mean most to all new cars being plug in about 15yrs.

Not sure if that growth can be maintained, or perhaps, as costs fall it will actually grow faster .... suspect it's still going to be a supply limited growth. But fun to watch.

Electric cars exceed 1m in Europe as sales soar by more than 40%

custardy

https://twitter.com/atomicthumbs/status/1032939617404645376

buglawton

Martyn1981 wrote: »

This car seems to be getting nothing but praise from all the You-Tube channels that I trawl through. Nice car, quality, package and price:

Hyundai Kona Electric Gets 258-Mile Range Rating From EPA

It got a good write up in this weekends Telegraph motoring section. I have a Hyundai petrol currently (bought for £9k new on scrappage deal) and would be up for a replacement but... doing 150 miles/week at 48 mpg, I don't have a use-case for a £30k-ish car. Maybe in 5 years time, as a 3/4 yr old used purchase.