Electric cars

almillar

I'm sure at some point the EU will insist on standards for car charging like they did with phones. That'll provide a huge incentive for manufacturers and energy suppliers to satisfy a standard.

They have - it's CCS. It looks like the type 2 AC plug, with a big positive and negative terminal below for the DC power.

So, we have CCS, Chademo (DC) and Type 1 and Type 2 (AC).

Type 1 is kindof on the way out here (Leaf had it, Leaf 2 doesn't), so there is a grand total of 3 or 4 connectors. That seems easy enough to me!

And I'm not sure how much scope there is for divergence - you've got different pins and firmwares for the chargers, but the power coming to them is already going to be 2 or 3 phase of differing magnitudes.

User doesn't need to worry about this. User needs to worry about plug type and charging speed.

I think the real issue will be the payment/registration systems for paid-for charging (pay as you go or subscription), because you'll need different accounts and potentially different tariffs.

There is work on a unified system, but it seems to have come a bit late.

Martyn1981

AdrianC wrote: »

To rival the best-selling vehicle, the Ford F150 pickup, as you had suggested, at the then-current production rates.



https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5591486/electric-cars&page=97#1927


Yes, I included the entire F-series in that by mistake. Sorry, it should only have been around 22x. My bad.

So let me check your maths. Tesla was shifting approx 20k TM3's per month when you made your claims (actually they were closing in on 6,000 per week, but I'll give you some wiggle room) and the F-150 sells approx 500,000pa.

So according to AdrianC maths 500,000pa = 20,000pm x 22, so let's just check that:

20,000 x 12 x 22 = 5,280,000.

Hmm, looks to me like you are talking BS yet again, but I'm sure you'll simply deny what you've posted both times now and claim you said something different. Though it was nice of you to admit that your claimed F-150 sales figure was wrong, I can only assume that you couldn't think of any way to spin it, perhaps progress is being made finally.

Little way to go, with BMW shifting 300k+ cars last year, plus another ~50k Minis.

Want to bet?

Tesla USA Sales Might Be Higher Than BMW USA Sales In August

!!!8217;ll do an update of this report once BMW!!!8217;s August sales come out. Hopefully we!!!8217;ll receive some numbers from Tesla on August sales as well. But you don!!!8217;t have to pick nits to see what the overall story is: Tesla is now either neck and neck with BMW in terms of US vehicles sales or Tesla has already passed up the epic German brand.

but again, I'm sure you'll claim you are arguing something different again.


What is interesting is how you exploded at my post two and a half weeks ago, with a load of negativity, but your post at 10.20am today agreed with what I'd suggested. Maybe, you should take two and half weeks to calm down and breath before you respond each time, that way you might not make such a fool of yourself, but you won't pause, and you will be foolish, a veritable catch 22, or should that be Catch 22x?

Martyn1981

almillar wrote: »

They have - it's CCS. It looks like the type 2 AC plug, with a big positive and negative terminal below for the DC power.

So, we have CCS, Chademo (DC) and Type 1 and Type 2 (AC).

Type 1 is kindof on the way out here (Leaf had it, Leaf 2 doesn't), so there is a grand total of 3 or 4 connectors. That seems easy enough to me!

Can adaptors be used so that EV's can utilise different chargers? So you'd plug in an adaptor to the car, or onto the charger 'nozzle(?)' IYSWIM.

buglawton

almillar wrote: »

They have - it's CCS. It looks like the type 2 AC plug, with a big positive and negative terminal below for the DC power.

So, we have CCS, Chademo (DC) and Type 1 and Type 2 (AC).

Type 1 is kindof on the way out here (Leaf had it, Leaf 2 doesn't), so there is a grand total of 3 or 4 connectors. That seems easy enough to me!
User doesn't need to worry about this. User needs to worry about plug type and charging speed.
There is work on a unified system, but it seems to have come a bit late.

Sounds rather "smart meter fiasco" syndrome to me.

almillar

Can adaptors be used so that EV's can utilise different chargers? So you'd plug in an adaptor to the car, or onto the charger 'nozzle(?)' IYSWIM.

Sometimes, but not universally.
You'll not be adapting CCS or Chademo to each other.
AC is sort of easier. At the plug end, it's type 2. At the car end, it's type 1 or 2. I think there's such a thing as an adaptor, but of course, another cable can simply be used.
I missed out one - Tesla. They have a plug that looks almost the same as Type 2 AC. But it's not Type 2 AC, it's 'Tesla' proprietary. They have a Chademo adaptor I think, and there might be pressure for them to be able to adapt to take a CCS charge too, in Europe at least. They're out on their own, have a bigger range than other EVs than rely on the public networks, and if their own network grows into/already is sufficient for their users, may not feel they need to adapt to 'everyone else's' networks.

Sounds rather "smart meter fiasco" syndrome to me.

I have no idea about the smart meter roll out.The problem is easily fixed, but it would be like asking Sainsburys and Tesco (and 5 other supermarkets) to combine Nectar and Clubcard. Technically possible, but competing companies.

Just for info, it can be easy. On the island of Ireland, both power companies installed similar chargers everywhere, and I can travel everywhere with ONE card. We've got 1 Ecotricity charger here, and there are Polar ones and maybe a few others, but 99% of the chargers are free with the use of 1 card.
Downside? There's no money in it, they've no budget, some charger manufacturers no longer exist, so maintenance is 'poor' (polite version!).

DrEskimo

Yea you can get an adapter for the Tesla so that it can plug into a Chademo charger.

Martyn1981

This car seems to be getting nothing but praise from all the You-Tube channels that I trawl through. Nice car, quality, package and price:

Hyundai Kona Electric Gets 258-Mile Range Rating From EPA

The Hyundai Kona is a runaway sales success. Termed a “compact sport utility vehicle” by the manufacturer, it is proof — if any was needed — that styling sells cars. The Kona is certainly a looker. It may be the perfect choice for shoppers looking for a cute ute, one that is neither too big nor too small.

But the car people are really excited about is the Kona Electric with a 64 kWh battery. It’s not on sale yet, but the EPA has rated it at 258 miles of range. Its MPGe numbers are 132 city, 108 highway and 120 combined. For comparison purposes, the Tesla Model 3 MPGe ratings are 131 city, 120 highway and 126 combined. Well done, Hyundai. (h/t InsideEVs)

Compact SUVs are ground zero in the new car market today. That means the Hyundai Kona Electric is perfectly positioned to capture sales from people who want one that travels on electrons instead of molecules. In Norway, where the top model sells for a touch over $42,000, the Kona Electric is already sold out for the rest of 2018 as Hyundai rushes to build enough cars to meet the demand.

Stageshoot

Martyn1981 wrote: »

This car seems to be getting nothing but praise from all the You-Tube channels that I trawl through. Nice car, quality, package and price:

Hyundai Kona Electric Gets 258-Mile Range Rating From EPA

Hopefully as good as it looks,

mine is being delivered 10th Sept. 64Kw Premium SE, will make the 280 Mile commute to London and back a no stop journey on days where I cant get on a street charger in London, (Currently in the Zoe 41kw if I cant get on a street charger I have to stop for a rapid charge on way home)

Range in the Kona is looking really good, with the EPA at over 250 (which is normally equivalent to Motorway limit driving), and the real world test showing it easily able to exceed 300 miles when in slightly slower 60mph range.

They are calling it a game changer, leave home with 250 to 300 miles, top up on at up to 100kw.hour add 80% battery in 45mins. so another 200 miles.. 500 miles runs with a single 45min stop are finally doable, giving the 3times the price teslas a run for the money.

Free_Dom

We just don't have the infrastructure yet for fully electric cars. As I tend to stay in the London area I decided to save my self a fortune by buying an electric scooter instead of a car. I tested the Bird one in California and absolutely loved it. Ive bought one and I have been riding it everyday to work in the city. I seriously suggest getting one of these and ditching the car if your based in London. its a Practical alternative to car and bike for journeys up to 18.6 miles. It avoids congestion, reduces noise pollution, reduces air pollution and costs me (approx. 17p per 80 miles).
I love it ! so much fun ..
i got mine from BACK to the SCOOTER.fun ( MSE tip currently there is a deal for 50% off accessories when you buy it) I wish I'd got one earlier, we both have one now and our days out start by avoiding congestion which make all the difference. I cant rate it highly enough. A Transport solution for london for less than £500 ..
I also like Tesla but I'm gonna need a bigger budget..

Herzlos

You joined just to mention electric scooters from a particular website?


Whilst that looks like spam, it's an interesting point. An aquintance of mine has an electric motorbike and seems to have great success, so there's certainly possibilities of something like that for short distance commuters (I've been tempted to get one for the run to/from the train station since it's only a few miles), but it just doesn't seem to be worth the additional costs as I need the car for everything else.