Don't be a 2016 Remoaner - voting Brexit was our finest hour

michaels

Matt_L wrote: »

You well know the likes of Farron and Clegg would be happy calling for referendum after referendum until they got the result they wanted..

For now they're calling for a referendum on the terms, then it will be a referendum on the timetable until enough time has passed that we have forgotten what the first referendum was about so they'd call for the original to be rerun...

And what terms would the eu offer if they knew there was going to be a vote on taking those terms or staying......

BobQ

Matt_L wrote: »

You well know the likes of Farron and Clegg would be happy calling for referendum after referendum until they got the result they wanted..

For now they're calling for a referendum on the terms, then it will be a referendum on the timetable until enough time has passed that we have forgotten what the first referendum was about so they'd call for the original to be rerun...

I agree and all I am saying is that they are entitled to do this in a democracy.

I could observe that a referendum on the terms of exit might make sense if their was a realistic choice to be made between one form of Brexit and another. But there is no point in making that argument as I would immediately be accused of bad faith or labeled a remainasaur or whatever the latest twitter abuse is.

LHW99

I could observe that a referendum on the terms of exit might make sense if their was a realistic choice to be made between one form of Brexit and another.

I suspect that whatever form of Brecit is negotiated, the choice will be take it or leave it, as the 27 are unlikely to change their stance if the UK says, "no, I think we want a bit more of this and a bit less of that".

BobQ

LHW99 wrote: »

I suspect that whatever form of Brecit is negotiated, the choice will be take it or leave it, as the 27 are unlikely to change their stance if the UK says, "no, I think we want a bit more of this and a bit less of that".

Well one choice that might exist is between an exit deal that would see us having EEA membership akin to that Switzerland and Norway enjoy and no exit deal at all might be something that could be voted on?

While I agree that the EU27 is unlikely to give us an option other than take it or leave it (whatever "it" turns out to be, I also think that the UK is unlikely to give us a choice at all.

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

Well one choice that might exist is between an exit deal that would see us having EEA membership akin to that Switzerland and Norway enjoy and no exit deal at all might be something that could be voted on?

While I agree that the EU27 is unlikely to give us an option other than take it or leave it (whatever "it" turns out to be, I also think that the UK is unlikely to give us a choice at all.

what sort of choice would you think appropriate?
a non binding referendum with say half a dozen options?

BobQ

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/dont-2016-remoaner-voting-brexit-proudest-hour/

It may well turn out to be our finest hour, but I do not think the quality of the debate that led to the result was anything to be proud about with all the associated lies and unpleasantness that characterised both sides.

HornetSaver

BobQ wrote: »

But there is no point in making that argument as I would immediately be accused of bad faith or labeled a remainasaur or whatever the latest twitter abuse is.

If people choose to B racist against dinosaurs then that's up to them.

When I get the opportunity to debate Brexit with Leave voters whose base instincts amount to more than "we won, now shut up and jog on you Europhilic, migrant loving liberal", I grab it with both hands.

Depressingly few of those people can be found on the internet.

Moby

Allison Pearson is a right wing reactionary bigot. She writes for the Torygraph. If that vote was our finest hour.......not much to look forward too is there! We British do best when we actively engage with the world. That vote was a backward step. It needs to be corrected. I and many others will work to do that!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-latest-single-market-eu-companies-threat-european-union-single-market-a7500786.html

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Allison Pearson is a right wing reactionary bigot. She writes for the Torygraph. If that vote was our finest hour.......not much to look forward too is there! We British do best when we actively engage with the world. That vote was a backward step. It needs to be corrected. I and many others will work to do that!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-latest-single-market-eu-companies-threat-european-union-single-market-a7500786.html

always good to see Moby supporting the rich and powerful international super companies that pay workers peanuts whilst paying themselve multi-millions. Just the sort of companies and bosses supported by the much praised torygraph.

At the moment the UK doesn't engage fully with the world : we discriminate in favour of 27 white, christian, european powers

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

We British do best when we actively engage with the world.
That vote was a backward step.

What an utterly delusional view. The new world requires us to step up to the plate and represent ourselves and freedom at global level, not quaint old fashioned last century monolithic squabble shops.


How impotent to suppose we cannot succeed under our steam, and working with other nations, pathetic small minded terrified reasoning