Don't be a 2016 Remoaner - voting Brexit was our finest hour

lisyloo

I don't agree that nothing has changed.
We were on a path to borrowing less and reducing our borrowing.
That has now all gone out the window and we're seemingly happily accepting more debt.
Day to day lives may seem unchanged - the situation reminds me of a cartoon character running off the edge of a cliff and there's no issue because they don't realise they have.
If you close your eyes and stay oblivious to the major change the yes you can believe all is hunky dory, but its not there has been a major change in government policy that has no immediate effects -in fact may even make things look better short term.

Thrugelmir

HornetSaver wrote: »

Then why bother?

Perhaps it's nothing to do with money but quality of life, identity and culture. People have far more material things than they ever have had. The ability to travel anywhere around the world. Don't seem any happier though. Just moan more. After several decades of globalisation. Perhaps there's a sea change of opinion. As to what really matters in life for the average man on the street. Tired of the alright jack mentality that pervades through society. As the wealth gulf grows ever wider.

Shaka_Zulu

The tales of doom and gloom are withering on the vine.

Brexit bonanza as FTSE 100 hits all-time HIGH flying in the face of doom-mongers.

THE FTSE 100 has hit an all-time high as the UK economy continues to go from strength to strength after the country decided to leave the European Union.

Lord King:-

Lord King, the former governor of the Bank of England, has said that the UK should be "self-confident" about leaving the European Union.
He said there were "real opportunities" for economic reform and new trade deals which meant Brexit could be a success.

Change Britain

The British economy could save up to £450 million a week by leaving the EU single market and customs union, claims the pro-Brexit pressure group ‘Change Britain’.

The group says that the UK economy could be boosted by around £24 billion a year in the event of what it describes as a “clean Brexit” – a complete break with the EU.

According to the group’s research, a clean Brexit could potentially result in annual savings of £10.4 billion from contributions to the EU budget, a further £1.2 billion from scrapping “burdensome” regulations, and pave the way to create new trade deals worth £12.3 billion.

Change Britain noted that 59 of the 100 most burdensome regulations on business could be eliminated if the country leaves the single market, which could save more than £4 billion – in the highest estimate.

London will remain world's leading financial centre despite Brexit

London will remain the world’s leading financial centre in spite of Brexit, a senior City figure said today as Google vowed to continue to invest in the UK after it leaves the EU.

Mark Boleat, policy chairman of the City of London Corporation, said while there was "nervousness" about Brexit, he had "no doubt" that London will remain "the world's leading financial centre".

It came as Matt Brittin, the head of Google's business and operations in Europe, said his company would continue to invest in Britain because it is "good at the internet".

Meanwhile the Euro is on the brink of collapse and the Italian Government has ripped up the rule book that is aimed at preventing State support in regards to its rescue of Banca Monte dei Paschi di Siena.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-23/monte-paschi-rescue-pushes-eu-bank-failure-rules-to-the-brink

Thrugelmir

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

The tales of doom and gloom are withering on the vine.

Brexit bonanza as FTSE 100 hits all-time HIGH flying in the face of doom-mongers.

THE FTSE 100 has hit an all-time high as the UK economy continues to go from strength to strength after the country decided to leave the European Union.

The FTSE 100 is not reflective of the UK economy as a whole. Main constituents being oil and gas, banks and miners. Which are primarily overseas activities.

chucknorris

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

The tales of doom and gloom are withering on the vine.

Brexit bonanza as FTSE 100 hits all-time HIGH flying in the face of doom-mongers.

THE FTSE 100 has hit an all-time high as the UK economy continues to go from strength to strength after the country decided to leave the European Union.

IMO the two most recent reasons why the ftse 100 is doing well is the fragile recovery of the oil price and the fall of the pound (due to the Brexit) boosting the net profits of ftse 100 companies (due to their global nature). Rather than any particular positive sentiment about UK companies.

Although it must also be said that the ftse 250 (which is more of a reflection of the UK) isn't doing that badly.

lisyloo

Also bear in mind that those is uS investing e.g. Anyone paying monthly into a pension, will be buying at a high.
Having a high price may be good if your selling, but not when you're buying which would apply to almost all workers in the U.K. Who have a pension,

kabayiri

Thrugelmir wrote: »

I haven't been posting good news as such. Very much business as usual. Record trade deficits, increasing consumer borrowing, budget deficits remain challenges to be faced. Irrespective of EU membership.
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The Brexit vote should have been a massive wake up call to the EU.

I genuinely think they were too complacent, assuming that the established order would prevail and the Remain vote win out.

I've not seen anything to suggest the EU is anywhere close to fixing its' problems.

The Italian banking issues are just the latest in a long line.

I suspect 2017 will see record numbers of migrants trying to get in to Europe once again.

I don't want the UK to be dragged down with this failing club.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

Playground name calling.
As my mother told me
"Sticks and stones may break your bones but words will never hurt you"
It was only when I grew up I realised that she was only partly wrong.
People who resort to name calling often lose the argument.

As others have said is it possible that name calling and unpleasant titles as used in the above post by Jock not be used.
What ever happened to Brexiteer and Remainder? Although the latter really does not apply now it is carved in stone that Britain is leaving the EU.
As my signature says purely for historical accuracy "I voted to remain" the referendum is history. Let's move on.

Perhaps you should have listened to your mother when she told you this one too, as I'm sure she must have:
"People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".

As has been said to you before and by posters other than myself (Do you really need me to provide links?), if you want to be taken seriously perhaps you should cease the deliberate misdirections and deception so prevalent in your posts.
When you do and "move on" as you yourself suggest, I (and I'm sure others too) will follow.
Because whilst your misdirection and deception continues I (and I suspect others too) will continue to object.

michaels

If we had voted remain would brexiteers be trying to achieve brexit against the will of the people through parliament and the courts?

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

The Brexit vote should have been a massive wake up call to the EU.

Why? The EU is built on very clear foundation principles. That won't be changed for anyone.

The EU has to change in the sense that all members have to work towards fiscal and economic integration. With the richer Northern states subsidising the poorer Southern and Eastern ones. This is the only way that the Euro can survive in it's current form. The real winner from the single currency union was Germany that rose from being the sick man of Europe to being the most powerful.

Be interesting to see how Eire reacts towards Brussels inferring in it's Corporation tax affairs. The row over Apple could be highly significant in the longer term.