Will Brexit really be good for Britain?

Moby

The_Last_Username wrote: »

Evidence and links please?

Google it.Try putting in 'institutional corruption'.;)

Moby

Bedsit_Bob wrote: »

But, in the EU's case, it seems to be a prerequisite for getting the job.

No bias there of course;)

gfplux

The_Last_Username wrote: »

As a stated pro-EU poster who lives in Luxembourg, your comments are about what anyone could expect of you.
Your "my vote for staying" comment causes the raise an eyebrow because of this - together with your previous assertion that you wish never to return to live in the UK.

So we know your views on Brexit; now what are your views on Juncker's past?
As stated; an "incompetent, undemocratic and corrupt" man.
And as in the linked post?
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=71850793&postcount=14810


*My thanks to Rinoa for the contents of said link.*

Last, you seem to want to pick a fight whatever anyone might say. Why so angry?

vivatifosi

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

What I find really odd is...

That's not the Georgian flag though. It's the Georgian eurovision symbol. Totally different. CK and I are big eurovision fans. I'd change my Twitter pic to whatever song I like in a particular year too. I did that to follow Conchita, but that doesn't make me a fan of Austrian politics, especially at the moment!

CKhalvashi

vivatifosi wrote: »

That's not the Georgian flag though. It's the Georgian eurovision symbol. Totally different. CK and I are big eurovision fans. I'd change my Twitter pic to whatever song I like in a particular year too. I did that to follow Conchita, but that doesn't make me a fan of Austrian politics, especially at the moment!

Also, I hail from Georgia, and have under management one of the artists in the Georgian national final selection for Eurovision this year.

That is the Georgian flag though Viva, in a butterfly, not a heart. It's been there since before the 2013 contest in Malmo, which perhaps unsurprisingly used the butterfly as a symbol

Can I just add, as I forgot earlier, that if you lose an election you become the voice of opposition, you don't just sit back just because you lost one vote. I'm sure the Leavers wouldn't be sitting back and would be more vocal than I have been had Remain won.

leveller2911

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Can I just add, as I forgot earlier, that if you lose an election you become the voice of opposition, you don't just sit back just because you lost one vote. I'm sure the Leavers wouldn't be sitting back and would be more vocal than I have been had Remain won.

I agree with you but we all know that if the result had been reversed the Remain camp/Govt wouldn't be giving any concessions to the losing 48% of the population because in truth they don't have any power to give concessions. Yet the remain camp at the very least want/expect the UK to remain in the single market with all the EU baggage that comes with it including UCJ etc.

Please don't mention Camerons "deal" where the UK gets literally peanuts in concessions with the much lauded by the remain camp "emergency break" on EU immigration that once triggered could never be used in the future was just one example of EU lipservice.

Happy New Year btw.............:)

CKhalvashi

leveller2911 wrote: »

I agree with you but we all know that if the result had been reversed the Remain camp/Govt wouldn't be giving any concessions to the losing 48% of the population because in truth they don't have any power to give concessions. Yet the remain camp at the very least want/expect the UK to remain in the single market with all the EU baggage that comes with it including UCJ etc.

I do believe that the 48% in that case would have views taken into account a lot more than seemingly the 48% do in this case.

I have tried numerous times to get in contact with DExEU as part of a small group led of businesses in partner sectors (still operating within the same industry), have submitted documents, and have never heard anything back. This is in an industry that is export reliant, supports the economy to the tune of £80bn a year and supports 2 million jobs. My sector makes up about 1/5 of those figures.

Please don't mention Camerons "deal" where the UK gets literally peanuts in concessions with the much lauded by the remain camp "emergency break" on EU immigration that once triggered could never be used in the future was just one example of EU lipservice.

I'm not going to, as I think there was far more give that could have been given in this scenario.

The 7 year restriction would at least have given some breathing space for the UK and specifically UKIP MEPs to make some headway in dealing with the cracks. The deal in principal though was just covering the surface of what is wrong with the EU now, though, without a lot of further action being taken.

Happy New Year btw.............:)

Happy new year to you too

cogito

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I do believe that the 48% in that case would have views taken into account a lot more than seemingly the 48% do in this case.

On what basis? A remain vote would have ended the argument for a generation or until the EU falls apart.

Cameron came back empty handed from his negotiations with the EU and the public saw that clearly. As far as the EU were concerned, that was the end of the discussion.

Are you seriously suggesting that Cameron would have gone back to the EU saying that we have voted to stay in but a lot of our people don't like the result so can we have some concessions please? What do you suppose the answer would have been? I suspect that it would have included several Fs.

Tromking

An oft forgotten aspect of Brexit is the UK`s historical antipathy to the whole EU project anyway. To listen to some Remainiacs you`d think we were a bunch of Luxembourgers and consequently fully signed up to the stated end game of the European project, the European super-state. The UK has always been the EU`s 'awkward squad' member state, unfortunately for some Brexit was merely the latest manifestation of our dislike of all things European Union.
Perhaps the Remain voters who are now vowing to fight Brexit should`ve been making the case for the EU decades ago.

CKhalvashi

cogito wrote: »

On what basis? A remain vote would have ended the argument for a generation or until the EU falls apart.

Cameron came back empty handed from his negotiations with the EU and the public saw that clearly. As far as the EU were concerned, that was the end of the discussion.

Are you seriously suggesting that Cameron would have gone back to the EU saying that we have voted to stay in but a lot of our people don't like the result so can we have some concessions please? What do you suppose the answer would have been? I suspect that it would have included several Fs.

Are you seriously suggesting Farage et al would have shut up?

I'm not, and I'm not sure it's actually possible for him to do so.

Tromking wrote: »

Perhaps the Remain voters who are now vowing to fight Brexit should`ve been making the case for the EU decades ago.

As far as I'm aware they did, in 1975. That was before I (and probably 70% of my social circle) was born.