Will Brexit really be good for Britain?

StevieJ

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Can I just add, as I forgot earlier, that if you lose an election you become the voice of opposition, you don't just sit back just because you lost one vote. I'm sure the Leavers wouldn't be sitting back and would be more vocal than I have been had Remain won.

They have been 'at it' since 1975 They had two public votes in the early 70's but aa confirmation vote now is undemocratic

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

Last, you seem to want to pick a fight whatever anyone might say. Why so angry?

Look, FWIW I quite understand how your repeated attempts at misleading readers by suggesting your political bias regarding the UK whilst being (and more importantly WANTING to be) outside the UK would be bought to task.
I have done so with you in the past myself.
If you don't like to be pointed out as being deceitful perhaps you could try not being deceitful?

So I have to agree with TLU.
Perhaps you could explain how - as you reside in Luxembourg - you actually obtained a right to vote in a UK referendum?
Further, how (given your stated assertion never to return to the UK as stated as in that post) you felt it morally correct to vote in the UK referendum?

Note that this is not "picking a fight" or "in anger" but a genuine attempt to understand how you think your deception is acceptable.

Oh & I note the lack of response regarding the question of Juncker.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Moby wrote: »

Google it.Try putting in 'institutional corruption'.;)

Ah, that doesn't show that every institution is corrupt does it?

I'm sure that many institutions would be so pleased at your suggestion that they "have incompetent and corrupt people working in them".
Have you tried telling them this?

cogito

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Are you seriously suggesting Farage et al would have shut up?

I'm not, and I'm not sure it's actually possible for him to do so

No I'm not. But I am seriously suggesting that no government would have listened to them. After all, most MPs remain committed Europhiles.

CKhalvashi

cogito wrote: »

No I'm not. But I am seriously suggesting that no government would have listened to them. After all, most MPs remain committed Europhiles.

And most MEP's (who are the ones that represent the UK in the EU) aren't.

I've already said that I feel this is where UKIP have their place and have been constantly ignored in saying that.

Farage isn't, and never has been an MP.

cogito

CKhalvashi wrote: »

And most MEP's (who are the ones that represent the UK in the EU) aren't.

I've already said that I feel this is where UKIP have their place and have been constantly ignored in saying that.

Farage isn't, and never has been an MP.

What's your point? I know Farage has never been an MP. I also know that UK MEPs have no influence over what the UK government does. Nor do they have as much influence in Brussels as some people might suggest.

Tromking

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Also, I hail from Georgia, and have under management one of the artists in the Georgian national final selection for Eurovision this year.

That is the Georgian flag though Viva, in a butterfly, not a heart. It's been there since before the 2013 contest in Malmo, which perhaps unsurprisingly used the butterfly as a symbol

Can I just add, as I forgot earlier, that if you lose an election you become the voice of opposition, you don't just sit back just because you lost one vote. I'm sure the Leavers wouldn't be sitting back and would be more vocal than I have been had Remain won.

Not taking any democracy lectures from a Georgian I`m afraid. You don`t seem to know the difference from a political party who on losing an election are duty bound to carry on putting forward their stated agenda and a binary choice referendum where the view of the majority must be acted upon.
You really must trust the instincts of the British people, ours is a mature stable democracy, there`s no fist fights in our parliament fella!

CKhalvashi

cogito wrote: »

What's your point? I know Farage has never been an MP. I also know that UK MEPs have no influence over what the UK government does. Nor do they have as much influence in Brussels as some people might suggest.

UKIP don't need (for now anyway) to have any say in what the British government does. That's my point.

Tromking wrote: »

You don`t seem to know the difference from a political party who on losing an election are duty bound to carry on putting forward their stated agenda and a binary choice referendum where the view of the majority must be acted upon.

A referendum where 48% of those that voted did so to remain.

That is a higher percentage than won a British election in a very long time, and there was no question for the particular style of Brexit. I'd say that single market access is completely to fight for despite the fact that you probably disagree. I have the full knowledge that pre-referendum, several Brexiteers agreed with me, all of whom have now gone quiet. Let me speak up for them

And don't lie to me and say that your ballot paper was different to mine. You will lose all credibility if you do.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I've cut the borderline racism out. I'd suggest it disappears rapidly.

This is twice on this page alone that you have used language of a threatening nature towards other posters.

First with

Don't quote anything in this post, will delete.

and

I'll give you until the end of the day to remove said posts and PM me an apology, or I'll be asking the site team to do it for you

Then with the above "I'd suggest it disappears rapidly."

I politely suggest that you cease such actions before your posts get reported.

Because TBH although I am not one for reporting posts, yours ARE beginning to sorely tempt me so to do.
Bullying - even in faceless forums such as this - is both unnecessary and inappropriate, and that is what you are doing.

Oh and I give not a jot of your race, religion or nationality but such behaviour as you are exhibiting is not acceptable.
Kindly therefore confine your responses to debate, rather than threat.
Thank you.

Tromking

CKhalvashi wrote: »

A referendum where 48% of those that voted did so to remain.

That is a higher percentage than won a British election in a very long time, and there was no question for the particular style of Brexit. I'd say that single market access is completely to fight for despite the fact that you probably disagree. I have the full knowledge that pre-referendum, several Brexiteers agreed with me, all of whom have now gone quiet. Let me speak up for them

And don't lie to me and say that your ballot paper was different to mine. You will lose all credibility if you do.

I've cut the borderline racism out. I'd suggest it disappears rapidly.

Again, taking no lectures from an Eastern European on racism and xenophobia et al. You reside in one of the enlightened countries on the planet, but I guess you know that, it may have been the reason you came here in the first place.
I neither seek or need any credibility from you. I want an agreement that fallls within the scope of the referendum question, I`m not sure you do. 48% in a binary choice referendum is a losing score I`m afraid.