Will Brexit really be good for Britain?

Conrad

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Yes, you may be right long term, but it's one hell of a gamble to take

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And what about the gamble and risks of remaining? There are many.

I don't understand this dismissing of the many risks and uncertainties remaining in the EU would involve.

Anyway it's not a gamble, be confident in the people, we aren't indifferent jellyfish on a tide, we WILL make a sucess of Brexit

Conrad

Just as a point of interest, I switched my ISA funds to predominantly UK exposure some months ago, so my confidence in UK Plc is not merely bluster, I genuinely consider the UK a better bet than the lumbering, intrusive, enterprise crushing EU

A_Medium_Size_Jock

I repeatedly say in these forums that I do not expect Brexit to be a bed of roses and that (as with most things in life) there will be both good and bad consequences.
It will take, let's be honest, many years before a decent evaluation of the results of Brexit becomes a realistic possibility.

Some may think my posts very pro-Brexit.
I freely admit to being pro-Brexit but in fact in most of my posts I rile at those who INSIST (for that is what quite a few in these forums do) that Brexit will be harmful to the UK - without any evidence that this is indeed the case.
My posts therefore tend towards reactionary, countering this (to me) illogical stance.

IMHO this "pro-EU-at-any-cost" type of stance as evidenced by CKhalavashi, Hornetsaver and even by BobQ in this thread alone is illogical in the face of the sheer weight of contrary evidence available.

From corruption to dictatorial methodology, from uneccesary bureaucracy to a problematic currency and many, many more things besides the list of negatives for the EU far outweighs the positives.
Indeed even those within the remaining EU 27 know this, as seen in a recent poll:

The poll showed 89 percent of voters in Greece thought their country was heading in the wrong direction. In France the figure was 82 percent, Italy 79 percent and Germany 62 percent.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-poll-idUKKBN14I002

Yet we still have those - here, in these forums - that refuse point blank to accept anything other than that the EU remains the best course and option for the UK.
That, I'm sorry to say, is at best illogical and at worst delusional.
Personally, I have run out of proverbial cheeks to turn.
Fortunately it appears that democracy in the UK sides with my POV.

Mortgagefreeman

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

IMHO this "pro-EU-at-any-cost" type of stance as evidenced by CKhalavashi

What I find really odd is that he posts using his actual name, a strange thing to do on an Internet forum. I googled and found his Twitter page to see he proudly displays the Georgian flag on it! I was more than a little surprised as I would have thought he'd at least have the European Union flag, bearing in mind how he keeps on banging on about it. Last time I looked Georgia wasn't in the EU.

And I hope you don't take offence Chris, but I'd do something about that dodgy Barnet, it does you no favours whatsoever.

Moby

antrobus wrote: »

Non-anecdotal information

We have seen continued decreases in reports of hate crimes to forces and these reports have now returned to formerly seen levels for 2016

Police Release Hate Crime Data for June- August 2016
http://report-it.org.uk/police_release_hate_crime_data_for_june-_august

A view from abroad

Rather than a hotbed of racial hatred, then, Britain is more a country that takes hate crime seriously and encourages citizens to report such acts when they occur. Far from painting Britain as a xenophobic society, Mr. Hamilton said, the numbers point to greater intolerance among Britons directed not at foreigners, but at hateful behavior toward them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/world/europe/britain-hate-crimes.html?_r=0

Your first source says hate crime surged after the vote and the second source from abroad quotes the first. Reports went back down again granted but nothing to be complacent about imo.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37640982

It said the sharp increase declined in August but has "remained at a higher level than prior to the EU referendum".
Home Secretary Amber Rudd said the government was "determined to stamp it out".
The number of hate crimes overall in the year 2015-16 was up 19% on the previous year.

The_Last_Username

gfplux wrote: »

Certainly the announcements by members of the Government give rise to great optimism.
The avalanche of positive news and announcements during the last few months have certainly given ME hope that Brexit will not slow Britains growth.
Perhaps I have been too negative and that International businesses, Banks and other financial institutions are not either planning to downsize in the UK or not upscale their operations in Britain.
Of course I am not yet convinced that Brexit will not be bad for Britain and Europe. I still believe my vote for staying was correct.
Six months on I am less disturbed/dissapointed or frightened. In fact I just have a continuing interest in how it plays out.
I suspect that the majority of people wherever they live have got on with their lives and hardly notice any of the good or bad news. It will probably only breach the general consciousness when "real" news is announced.
The only "real" news we know of is the result of the Supreme Court in January and the triggering of Article 50 at the end of March.
It actually is getting both boring, for lack of news, and exciting waiting for these significant moments in history.

As a stated pro-EU poster who lives in Luxembourg, your comments are about what anyone could expect of you.
Your "my vote for staying" comment causes the raise an eyebrow because of this - together with your previous assertion that you wish never to return to live in the UK.

So we know your views on Brexit; now what are your views on Juncker's past?
As stated; an "incompetent, undemocratic and corrupt" man.
And as in the linked post?
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=71850793&postcount=14810


*My thanks to Rinoa for the contents of said link.*

Moby

The_Last_Username wrote: »

As a stated pro-EU poster who lives in Luxembourg, your comments are about what anyone could expect of you.
Your "my vote for staying" comment causes the raise an eyebrow because of this - together with your previous assertion that you wish never to return to live in the UK.

So we know your views on Brexit; now what are your views on Juncker's past?
As stated; an "incompetent, undemocratic and corrupt" man.
And as in the linked post?
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=71850793&postcount=14810


*My thanks to Rinoa for the contents of said link.*

The EU is an institution. All institutions including the EU have incompetent and corrupt people working in them.

The_Last_Username

Moby wrote: »

The EU is an institution. All institutions including the EU have incompetent and corrupt people working in them.

Evidence and links please?

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

The EU is an institution. All institutions including the EU have incompetent and corrupt people working in them.

Juncher's past was pretty well known : but still the corrupt organisation voted for the fraudster, with the honourable exception of the UK (one expects no praise from the europhile acolytes ).

[Deleted User]

Moby wrote: »

The EU is an institution. All institutions including the EU have incompetent and corrupt people working in them.

But, in the EU's case, it seems to be a prerequisite for getting the job.