Will Brexit really be good for Britain?

Mortgagefreeman

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Look at the numbers, then stop with the racist propaganda. I believe the chances are something like 0.00012% of such an attack, and I feel that's a risk worth taking.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38481521

Another Risk worth taking?

Moby

Bedsit_Bob wrote: »

That's rather misleading.

It's the number of reported hate crimes which has increased, and, given that a hate crime is defined as something someone (not necessarily the alleged victim) believes to be a hate crime, the figures are, at best, dubious.

For me it is still concerning. People on this site like putting on anecdotal information about what their friends think etc and these reports are less dubious than that level of contribution. Also I think there is a tendency for people to ignore information which does not fit with their world view. It hasn't been debunked!

Moby

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38481521

Another Risk worth taking?

You take a risk every time you cross the road. Not contributing towards ending a refugee crisis and using fear of terrorism as an excuse is shameful cowardice and the terrorist will have won another victory by turning us against each other.

Ballard

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38481521

Another Risk worth taking?

A truly awful event in a non-EU country and you feel that it's appropriate to link this to the EU, presumably to somehow prove that leaving that organisation was the right thing. Presumably you feel that once we leave the EU we will no longer be a terrorist target.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

You take a risk every time you cross the road. Not contributing towards ending a refugee crisis and using fear of terrorism as an excuse is shameful cowardice and the terrorist will have won another victory by turning us against each other.

what would your criteria be for helping refugees?
only those that have already reached white, christian european countires ?

CKhalvashi

Thrugelmir wrote: »

EU exports more to the UK. So would suffer more. Yet places more importance to FOM than what people actually feel and want. That's not democracy.

Not when divided by the number of people in the rest of the EU it doesn't. The UK would definitely suffer more in this case on a proportional level. That should terrify you.

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38481521

Another Risk worth taking?

I'm not even going to grace that with a response as it's nothing more than disrespectful and completely out of place on this thread.

If I'm as nasty as you claimed yesterday, don't converse with me. It's not difficult.

Moby wrote: »

You take a risk every time you cross the road. Not contributing towards ending a refugee crisis and using fear of terrorism as an excuse is shameful cowardice and the terrorist will have won another victory by turning us against each other.

Agreed. The British government have behaved completely disgracefully in this situation.

CKhalvashi

CLAPTON wrote: »

what would your criteria be for helping refugees?
only those that have already reached white, christian european countires ?

I'd go further than that, specifically deploying aid workers/volunteers in cooperation with charities and using the foreign aid budget to pay for part of this, where reasonably safe to do so.

CLAPTON

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Agreed. The British government have behaved completely disgracefully in this situation.

obviously the UK has behaved disgracefully whilst the EU27 have been beyond reproach.
Your distain and hatred for the UK grows by the day.
Surely you would feel more comfortable and more smug self satisfaction is some other place.
Maybe France, where you can compliment the French on how well they protect under age vulnerble children.

lisyloo

CLAPTON wrote: »

what would your criteria be for helping refugees?
only those that have already reached white, christian european countires ?

Does it not make sense that if people are genuinely absolutely desperate that they seek help in the first country they come to?
If that's the case then by definition what you say will be the case.

CKhalvashi

CLAPTON wrote: »

obviously the UK has behaved disgracefully whilst the EU27 have been beyond reproach.
Your distain and hatred for the UK grows by the day.
Surely you would feel more comfortable and more smug self satisfaction is some other place.
Maybe France, where you can compliment the French on how well they protect under age vulnerble children.

Stop throwing personal attacks at me, and stop twisting everything I say to try to convince yourself I feel the way I don't about everthing.

lisyloo wrote: »

Does it not make sense that if people are genuinely absolutely desperate that they seek help in the first country they come to?
If that's the case then by definition what you say will be the case.

He's got his own agenda, which largely involves not listening to a word anyone that disagrees with him has to say.

I feel that if someone is claiming their life is in danger, we should be doing everything possible to assist them, whether that's through allowing integration into our own country or supporting other countries that are overwhelmed by applications to process these.

Somehow that means that I think the EU is good and UK is bad, where in reality it simply means that the UK should be doing more as the EU, Turkey etc are overstretched.