Will Brexit really be good for Britain?

CKhalvashi

BobQ wrote: »

Sory I did not post the link

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38449841

See under Cash Support

Ah, that makes a lot more sense now when put in context.

In the last year I've been to both Serbia and Albania, and neither seemed to me to be dangerous countries.

As I see it, Germany is offering a common sense solution to get those with no right to be there out, whilst at the same time processing claims for those that are genuinely in need and deporting those that have no valid claim to humanitarian assistance back to a safe country where they have a right to stay.

Again, you may view it differently, but that's how I see it.

CLAPTON

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Ah, that makes a lot more sense now when put in context.

In the last year I've been to both Serbia and Albania, and neither seemed to me to be dangerous countries.

As I see it, Germany is offering a common sense solution to get those with no right to be there out, whilst at the same time processing claims for those that are genuinely in need and deporting those that have no valid claim to humanitarian assistance back to a safe country where they have a right to stay.

Again, you may view it differently, but that's how I see it.

one couldn't make it up, could one?

CKhalvashi

CLAPTON wrote: »

one couldn't make it up, could one?

What the Germans should have done is shown those seeking humanitarian assistance some compassion, had their case heard fairly, and deported those who have no grounds to claim refugee status.

This is exactly what they've done.

Britain, on the other hand, has turned away vulnerable children currently in France for nonsensical reasons (including that entering the UK isn't in their best interests). This is after they've faced a situation where they're vulnerable to exploitation in the Calais camps, and are currently in Paris waiting for the French government to get off their backsides and do something instead.

I'm not asking for you to agree with me here because I know it's not going to happen, but you have to admit that the grounds the British Gov have used are completely baseless and in this context make no reasonable amount of sense.

Mortgagefreeman

CKhalvashi wrote: »

What the Germans should have done is shown those seeking humanitarian assistance some compassion, had their case heard fairly, and deported those who have no grounds to claim refugee status.

This is exactly what they've done.

Britain, on the other hand, has turned away vulnerable children currently in France for nonsensical reasons (including that entering the UK isn't in their best interests). This is after they've faced a situation where they're vulnerable to exploitation in the Calais camps, and are currently in Paris waiting for the French government to get off their backsides and do something instead.

I'm not asking for you to agree with me here because I know it's not going to happen, but you have to admit that the grounds the British Gov have used are completely baseless and in this context make no reasonable amount of sense.

It makes complete sense. At least we don't have immigrants mowing down people with lorries. Perhaps you feel that's a price worth paying:eek:

CLAPTON

CKhalvashi wrote: »

What the Germans should have done is shown those seeking humanitarian assistance some compassion, had their case heard fairly, and deported those who have no grounds to claim refugee status.

This is exactly what they've done.

Britain, on the other hand, has turned away vulnerable children currently in France for nonsensical reasons (including that entering the UK isn't in their best interests). This is after they've faced a situation where they're vulnerable to exploitation in the Calais camps, and are currently in Paris waiting for the French government to get off their backsides and do something instead.

I'm not asking for you to agree with me here because I know it's not going to happen, but you have to admit that the grounds the British Gov have used are completely baseless and in this context make no reasonable amount of sense.

I have to note that Calais is in a rich white christian european country; have you no critisim for a EU country that doesn't protect children on its own sovereign territory? Obviously not.

Germany has invited all and everyone to come to europe, without any planning and without any consideration for the inevitable deaths, child exploitation, people trafficing, corruption etc .

padington

Ballard wrote: »

I'm not sure that this is true. If memory serves me well the only religion barred from becoming the monarch is Catholic and there was talk of repealing this recently.

The head of the monarchy can now marry a Catholic but at the same time they must be C of E, hence no other religion for them.

No Muslim may be our king or queen.

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

What the Germans should have done is shown those seeking humanitarian assistance some compassion, had their case heard fairly, and deported those who have no grounds to claim refugee status.

This is exactly what they've done.

At least the Germans have the money to pay them to leave and return home.

CKhalvashi

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

It makes complete sense. At least we don't have immigrants mowing down people with lorries. Perhaps you feel that's a price worth paying:eek:

Look at the numbers, then stop with the racist propaganda. I believe the chances are something like 0.00012% of such an attack, and I feel that's a risk worth taking.

These are children, not adults. The risks therefore is theoretically even less.

CLAPTON wrote: »

I have to note that Calais is in a rich white christian european country; have you no critisim for a EU country that doesn't protect children on its own sovereign territory? Obviously not.

Germany has invited all and everyone to come to europe, without any planning and without any consideration for the inevitable deaths, child exploitation, people trafficing, corruption etc .

I think that as most of Europe is in crisis in dealing with settlements and applications, the UK as a rich white Christian European country should be doing all it can to help.

CLAPTON

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I think that as most of Europe is in crisis in dealing with settlements and applications, the UK as a rich white Christian European country should be doing all it can to help.

the situation in Calais has been on going for years: you are in denial about the role of the sovereign government of France to protect children on its territory : I expect no less from from the irrational europhiles.

You have only one narrative : the UK and its people and its government are rubbish and all the 27 are marvellous. Facts are a foreign territory to you.

CKhalvashi

CLAPTON wrote: »

the situation in Calais has been on going for years: you are in denial about the role of the sovereign government of France to protect children on its territory : I expect no less from from the irrational europhiles.

You have only one narrative : the UK and its people and its government are rubbish and all the 27 are marvellous. Facts are a foreign territory to you.

Give it a rest.

It's completely irrational to pull out of a trading union which offers impeccable value for money and supports more than half of British exports.

It's also completely irrational to repeatedly say that those outside the EU want to buy our goods more than ever before and leaving the said union will be fine, despite the balance of payments being significantly worse, inflation being double what it was last year and what's looking like years of wage stagnation.

Yes, France should be looking after children on its territory, however the welcoming nation of the UK that (according to you at least) is open to the world should be doing more to assist the problems that the mainland is facing, if not taking refugees as a country then providing assistance to those that are. These are our neighbours whether we're in the EU or not and it's irrational to do anything else.

Just because I don't agree with your views doesn't make mine irrational, however based on the facts of trade and political relations, the Tories and UKIP's views are.