Will Brexit really be good for Britain?

BobQ

cogito wrote: »

I used to be a strong supporter of the Common Market as a free trade area but what it has become appals me.

Given your opinion, will you be returning to the UK?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

cogito wrote: »

Fair enough- you got me although they whether they were signed off as accurate is debateable. What I should have said was that the auditors had refused to give them a clean bill of health as between 4.4% and 7% has been misspent annually. That's a huge amount of money.

To be clear - the EU's books have been audited and signed off as accurate and there is no question of corruption or mismanagement.

There have been occasional issues with some member states - including the UK - as to whether all funds issued for designated spends were spent exactly as intended.

But that's entirely different from your false claim about the EU.

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

To be clear - the EU's books have been audited and signed off as accurate and there is no question of corruption or mismanagement.

There have been occasional issues with some member states - including the UK - as to whether all funds issued for designated spends were spent exactly as intended.

But that's entirely different from your false claim about the EU.

For anyone with any experience of the world, it is impossible to conceive of any large organaisation without some corrupt, waste and mis-management.

It may well be that the books balance and the entries are mathematicially correct : that tells us NOTHiNG about whether there is corruption or mismamagement or massive waste.
The only issue is the scale of the matters.

Oh the (dangerous) naivety of acolytes.

CKhalvashi

BobQ wrote: »

Given your opinion, will you be returning to the UK?

My business, legally at least (for the minute, more to follow) will be leaving the UK at some point next year.

Brexiteers will of course be happy about this, as it will create new jobs and bring exports to one of the countries at the poorer end of he EU, thus levelling things out a bit, helping the target country to become closer in economy size per capita to Western Europe.

AFF8879

CKhalvashi wrote: »

My business, legally at least (for the minute, more to follow) will be leaving the UK at some point next year.

Brexiteers will of course be happy about this, as it will create new jobs and bring exports to one of the countries at the poorer end of he EU, thus levelling things out a bit, helping the target country to become closer in economy size per capita to Western Europe.

That's the key word; "legally". Businesses will likely find ways to alter their legal structures so as to keep the majority of roles in the UK with slight, if any, geographical movement of people.

For all this talk and threats of uprooting out of the UK, are the people in charge of these decisions really going to be happy to uproot their families and lives in comfortable England and go and settle in Romania or Poland? Unlikely.

fatbeetle

BobQ wrote: »

Cameron should not be embarrassed because he promised the vote and attempted to negotiate better terms with the EU but failed.

Hmmmm...

“If we can’t reach such an agreement, and if Britain’s concerns were to be met with a deaf ear, which I do not believe will happen, then we will have to think again about whether this European Union is right for us. As I have said before – I rule nothing out.”

CKhalvashi

AFF8879 wrote: »

That's the key word; "legally". Businesses will likely find ways to alter their legal structures so as to keep the majority of roles in the UK with slight, if any, geographical movement of people.

We will see. I don't know exactly what is happening yet, but there is a lot more scope for growth within the mainland than in the UK.

It makes a lot of financial sense to redeploy some operations, as we're on a 90 new contract target next year (of 120 targets), a majority of which are in Eastern Europe (a region where a majority of our clients are based), and physically needing to run staff/vehicles empty can easily add £1000/contract onto our costs, which increases what needs to be charged.

Whether at that point it will be easier and cheaper to move the entire business is yet to be seen, but it would be best to base at least 40% of where we are now in the general area, and it's likely this will only increase, largely as we can go into EEU contracts completely uncompeted where the UK is well served already.

For all this talk and threats of uprooting out of the UK, are the people in charge of these decisions really going to be happy to uproot their families and lives in comfortable England and go and settle in Romania or Poland? Unlikely.

I'd love to live in both of the countries mentioned. I will stand by those that work for me (paid a lot more than legally provided for in redundancy to leave, paid time off for job hunting etc), but I have a refusal to stand by the country in general making what I believe to be a stupid decision.

I will make decisions based on what is best for me, and whilst any employees and clients will come into that decision making, it won't be the ultimate view as long as the work can come in.

A number of clients (and prospective clients) have already signalled an EEU base as a positive for my particular business model, and for others it may be different.

Anything (due to operational reasons) will be over 2-3 years rather than immediate in any case.

Shaka_Zulu

BobQ wrote: »

Cameron should not be embarrassed because he promised the vote and attempted to negotiate better terms with the EU but failed.

I think he should be, he asked for nothing and got even less.

Enterprise_1701C

We are far better off outside a protectionist state that is so blinkered they do not even believe they are corrupt, even though they quite obviously are.

The EU is gradually working toward implosion, the Euro was designed to break the economies of the countries within it and to bolster that of the Germans, therefore forcing ever greater integration.

We are not the only country to realise this, even some Eastern European countries are less than happy with the EU.

Everyone is watching and waiting to see how we manage this, but as far as I can see we may not even have to worry about staying within the protectionist zone as it will cease to exist soon, especially if Marine LePen gets elected in France, even Merkel is in danger in Germany!

I am happy we are leaving even if the EU does manage to survive, because the only way it will survive is if everyone forgets about individual countries, drops the borders, devolves all banks to Germany and agrees to call their country a German state.

I have said it all along, once the real reasoning behind it was revealed. The Common Market was a good idea, the EU is an extremely bad idea, simply the Germans trying to conquer Europe by slightly more nefarious means than war.

Conrad

CKhalvashi wrote: »

We will see. I don't know exactly what is happening yet, but there is a lot more scope for growth within the mainland than in the UK.

It makes a lot of financial sense to redeploy some operations, as we're on a 90 new contract target next year (of 120 targets), a majority of which are in Eastern Europe (a region where a majority of our clients are based), and physically needing to run staff/vehicles empty can easily add £1000/contract onto our costs, which increases what needs to be charged.

Whether at that point it will be easier and cheaper to move the entire business is yet to be seen, but it would be best to base at least 40% of where we are now in the general area, and it's likely this will only increase, largely as we can go into EEU contracts completely uncompeted where the UK is well served already.

I'd love to live in both of the countries mentioned. I will stand by those that work for me (paid a lot more than legally provided for in redundancy to leave, paid time off for job hunting etc), but I have a refusal to stand by the country in general making what I believe to be a stupid decision.

I will make decisions based on what is best for me, and whilst any employees and clients will come into that decision making, it won't be the ultimate view as long as the work can come in.

A number of clients (and prospective clients) have already signalled an EEU base as a positive for my particular business model, and for others it may be different.

Anything (due to operational reasons) will be over 2-3 years rather than immediate in any case.

Given these countries are such good places for enterprise, one wonders why huge numbers of thier energetic young came to Britain to build a life. I have a Romainian client that said he had to get away from the endemic corruption there. Poland has, by UK terms a very far right Govt, lets hope you don't say anything that could see you detained or closed down

Anyway, trade is dynamic, of course some will re locate to the EU, but I'd bet the profits will rent to be rendered in the UK in many cases. The nimble super dynamic UK will attract masses of enterprise.